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Butchered hand advice. Mini Main Event

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  1. GrandChamp21 GrandChamp21 is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 3:59am)

    Villian is 26/10 over 80 hand sample filtered 7/9 handed. First 58 hands were non antes, last 22 hands antes and he was 27.4%/27.4%. Avg buyin on sharkscope is $6. I know I butchered this hand bad but whats the play on turn after he raises??

    Full Tilt Poker Game #19462277978: MiniFTOPS Main Event (128340739), Table 559 - 30000/60000 Ante 7500 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:11:53 ET - 2010/03/22
    Seat 1: carps15 (2,225,029)
    Seat 2: BWestbrook036 (1,668,200)
    Seat 3: storschy (1,991,725)
    Seat 5: GrandChamp21 (1,840,166)
    Seat 6: nmop441 (2,268,812)
    Seat 7: shibzzzz (2,598,520)
    Seat 8: LHO2011 (834,944)
    Seat 9: psychobenny (1,991,992)
    carps15 antes 7,500
    BWestbrook036 antes 7,500
    storschy antes 7,500
    GrandChamp21 antes 7,500
    nmop441 antes 7,500
    shibzzzz antes 7,500
    LHO2011 antes 7,500
    psychobenny antes 7,500
    storschy posts the small blind of 30,000
    GrandChamp21 posts the big blind of 60,000
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to GrandChamp21 [Tc Jc]
    shibzzzz is feeling angry
    nmop441 has 15 seconds left to act
    nmop441 raises to 180,000
    shibzzzz folds
    LHO2011 has 15 seconds left to act
    LHO2011 has requested TIME
    LHO2011 folds
    psychobenny folds
    carps15 folds
    BWestbrook036 folds
    storschy folds
    GrandChamp21 has 15 seconds left to act
    GrandChamp21 calls 120,000
    *** FLOP *** [Qd 8d Qs]
    GrandChamp21 has 15 seconds left to act
    GrandChamp21 bets 110,111
    nmop441 calls 110,111
    *** TURN *** [Qd 8d Qs] [4s]
    GrandChamp21 has 15 seconds left to act
    GrandChamp21 has requested TIME
    GrandChamp21 bets 340,040
    nmop441 has 15 seconds left to act
    nmop441 raises to 680,080
    GrandChamp21 ??????
  2. firaldo firaldo is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 4:01am) in reply to GrandChamp21

    i tend to fold J hi in this spot
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  3. Sdanby Sdanby is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 10:12am) in reply to GrandChamp21

    yeh i mean i think a fold is best, you could jam and hope to get vlaue from hands like 910 and J9, or like 56ss. but i think fold is best. aswel as fold pre, and check/fold flop
  4. FGEasiest FGEasiest is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 10:20am) in reply to Sdanby

    Fold pre
     
  5. matze_widi matze_widi is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 10:23am) in reply to Sdanby

    FPS imo
     
  6. trippkirk trippkirk is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 10:29am) in reply to Sdanby

     
    Originally Posted by Sdanby View Post

    yeh i mean i think a fold is best, you could jam and hope to get vlaue from hands like 910 and J9, or like 56ss. but i think fold is best. aswel as fold pre, and check/fold flop

    haha, when i first read HH i didn't expect to see a response of "jam for value"
     
  7. ricardogcl ricardogcl is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 10:41am) in reply to firaldo

    unless you are moorman or djk u should
     
  8. Diggs Diggs is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 11:17am) in reply to GrandChamp21

    I fold pre and hate the donk lead on the flop.

    No need to get FPS against a $6 player here imo.

    If you're willing to stack off trying to rep the Q I think you're better off c/c the flop and c/r the turn. Your line doesn't look very believable to me.
  9. bcdrmr bcdrmr is offline 3 of a kind > flush????

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 12:47pm) in reply to GrandChamp21

     
    Originally Posted by GrandChamp21 View Post

    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to GrandChamp21 [Tc Jc]
    shibzzzz is feeling angry
    nmop441 has 15 seconds left to act
    nmop441 raises to 180,000

    THIS is what should have concerned you right away. Obviously some rage brewing at this table. Time to "sit out" a few hands and let him cool down to avoid a confrontation.
  10. 7woody7 7woody7 is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 3:27pm) in reply to bcdrmr

    I went deep in this as well and played against most of the guys at your table later on. Everyone was playing pretty basic abc poker. if I were a betting man, I'd say the min raise on turn is telling you 100% he has Q. No idea why you'd call pre-flop raise out of position with J high if you weren't going to shove the flop.

    Just seached and unfortunately we didn't play any hands together.
  11. wackyJaxon wackyJaxon is offline Admin X

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 3:37pm) in reply to GrandChamp21

    Hey Champ!

    Folding Pre is OK here as playing this hand out of position is tough HU..
    Flop bet maybe should have been sized higher, but also a check (him bet) raise or a check (him bet) fold or a check him (check) on flop might be beter options.. If he check/checks the flop can maybe steal on turn.. As played, unless you think he was floating you on the flop, fold is best bet, if you seen him do this play before, can try to risk tourney life on this pot and go AI.. I probably fold here on turn as played though unless I know he can be floating the flop and stealing on turn..
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  12. The Baby Bull The Baby Bull is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 3:42pm) in reply to GrandChamp21

     
    Originally Posted by GrandChamp21 View Post

    I know I butchered this hand bad but whats the play on turn after he raises??

    Fold
     
  13. 2outerMe 2outerMe is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 3:51pm) in reply to GrandChamp21

    If a $6 player is calling flopbet + minraising turnbet you are definately beat. Fold.
  14. GrandChamp21 GrandChamp21 is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 4:46pm) in reply to The Baby Bull

    I know folding preflop would have been optimal. As played I cannot just see this player making a move on me in a spot like this. After talking to a few top players they seem to feel its an easy jam after he raises turn. I should have never put myself in such a bad spot in the first place I guess. Thanks for the responses guys and more would be appreciated.
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  15. darkcheck_ darkcheck_ is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (3/22/2010 4:55pm) in reply to GrandChamp21

     
    Originally Posted by GrandChamp21 View Post

    I know folding preflop would have been optimal. As played I cannot just see this player making a move on me in a spot like this. After talking to a few top players they seem to feel its an easy jam after he raises turn. I should have never put myself in such a bad spot in the first place I guess. Thanks for the responses guys and more would be appreciated.

    i mean if u jam pre then he never gets the chance to raise the turn and you never end up in such a sticky spot. tbh he prob floated the flop just to bluffraise you off the turn bc he knows that hes reppin a really strong range.
     
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