3r 180 man. Been playing pretty tight obv, this guy has been active but not redic and he hasn't shoved on my yet (new at table). Blinds are 1.5/3k in 2 minutes and we are 2 off bubble.

Thoughts? possible 60/40 it for CL or fold and wait for better spot?

pokerstars Game #41249869821: Tournament #253290302, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2010/03/16 17:42:11 WET [2010/03/16 13:42:11 ET]
Table '253290302 6' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: galitii (40605 in chips)
Seat 3: becksia2006 (52569 in chips)
Seat 4: x walks x (29426 in chips)
Seat 5: Ventilatorrr (21879 in chips)
Seat 6: minpopo (69680 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: BP1223 (49098 in chips)
Seat 9: beniblanko85 (49935 in chips)
galitii: posts the ante 200
becksia2006: posts the ante 200
x walks x: posts the ante 200
Ventilatorrr: posts the ante 200
minpopo: posts the ante 200
BP1223: posts the ante 200
beniblanko85: posts the ante 200
becksia2006: posts small blind 1000
x walks x: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to x walks x [As 4d]
Ventilatorrr: folds
minpopo: folds
BP1223: folds
beniblanko85: folds
galitii: folds
becksia2006: raises 50369 to 52369 and is all-in
x walks x: folds
Uncalled bet (50369) returned to becksia2006
becksia2006 collected 5400 from pot
becksia2006: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5400 | Rake 0
Seat 1: galitii (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: becksia2006 (small blind) collected (5400)
Seat 4: x walks x (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Ventilatorrr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: minpopo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: BP1223 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: beniblanko85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

he'd have to be shoving a pretty tight range for this to be a fold. if you think he's at all competent and capable of exerting any sort of pressue on the bubble then it's a call.

no info i'd call, have to have a reason to think his range is a lot better than A4 to fold.

snap call unless u think he is a huge nit

EDIT: when i first read it i assumed it was just a regular 3r and thus the icm affect of it being on the bubble would be very little, with it being a 180 man icm prob has a bigger impact but i still feel like the payouts are still top heavy enough and there are still enough people left in it that this would still be a fairly easy call

 

Originally Posted by nezbit

think its better to be the one shoving all in.

calling of ur chips with mediocre hands is always trouble.

i have found recently people saying all the time "its better to do x or id rather be doing y" poker isnt about is there a better hypathetical situation, of course wed rather be shoving than calling with A4, of course wed rather shove from the button than AQ utg

our job isnt to find out if there are better possible situations we could be in, its to determine the best decision IN THIS SITUATION

not trying to be mean but i never understand when people say that, its one thing to say like in a HU situation id rather shove ATC next hand than to call this bc ur garenteed to have ATC next hand. ur not garenteed to have a button shove the next orbit or garenteed to have a bvb situation where u get to shove A4. so u have to just take what u can get.

this is the situation we r dealing with, lets just focus on it

I'm folding 9 times out of 10 without a read.

I just don't see why A4 is the hand to call with.

I'd rather call with 75 76 etc than a4.

Easy fold imho

 

Originally Posted by winnie2002

I'm folding 9 times out of 10 without a read.

I just don't see why A4 is the hand to call with.

I'd rather call with 75 76 etc than a4.

Easy fold imho

gotta be a level right?

in case it isnt i ran both hands against just the hands we are dominated by with A4o, which is the worst possible shoving range we can be up against

3,493,100,160 games 2.796 secs 1,249,320,515 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.005% 61.26% 06.74% 2139971220 235501146.00 { 44+, A4s+, A5o+ }
Hand 1: 31.995% 25.25% 06.74% 882126648 235501146.00 { A4o }

5,479,372,800 games 5.192 secs 1,055,349,152 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.139% 67.70% 00.44% 3709559664 24012100.00 { 44+, A4s+, A5o+ }
Hand 1: 31.861% 31.42% 00.44% 1721788936 24012100.00 { 75s, 75o }

even against the worst possible range for our hand A4o is slightly better than 75, add any other hand into the range (which i cant imagine there not being in the slightest) and A4o obv dominates 75.

i dont know how u can even try to argue 75 is a better calling hand than A4, its not even a top 50% hand, how can a hand that is statistically worse than a random shove ever a good calling hand

Thanks for all the replies.

Such a range of opinions. Even know i folded I hated it.

edit: The reason A4 is a calling hand over than 76 is that well it is crushing all the random paint and suited connectors like 76 he might be shoving

i don´t like it very much but if he has been aggresive his range is so wide here that we can not fold imo..

calling off sucks but u gotta do it if u think A4 beats his shoving range..but it´s prolly awful close