good to hear. i'll be moving back there soon and cali definitely needs the money

great!

cant imagine much volume on said sites, if they only allow california residents.

dont get your hopes up

Front page of The Oregonian the other day. Might see some changes soon...hopefully.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/i..._to_legal.html

Idea idea is good, but execution terrible. If it started a trend would kill the game as we know it. Just Imagine every state with intrastate poker only. We could not play any of the sites we play now. THe states where it is legalized will be more diligent about enforcing funding to foreign sites. And they will probably let the indian casinos have the liscences for the online intrastate casinos. It would probably take them awhile to get it even reasonably right, and they traditionally rake quite high. Would be better if states would make tax deals with the majors PS, FT, PP and UB. Kat

to make this successful they have to operate as a "skin" of a major network....otherwise this will be a major fail.....

i dont know but california is very big in terms of size as well as making up a big part of americas online presence. i think a the site that ends up #1 in california will be able to keep at least 20-40k players during peak hours or is this unreasonable? other states will not be so lucky. gonna be hard going from ps with 100-200k+ to a site that gets less traffic than ub...

love cali
never leaving

This probably puts the feds in a position to legalize the nation. This would be a huge tax winfall for Cali and to the degree that they need the tax money it would be good for the state. If it helps C at all the White house would certainly take a closer look I believe.

 

Originally Posted by CeJeH

You guys are retarded if you think this is good news, did any of you even bother reading it? You won't be allowed to play on FTP, Stars, or any of the other networks that we enjoy playing on now. The state would give preference to entities that are already existing within the state (think Pechanga, Morongo etc) and any network that is to be considered for this has to have the ENTIRE COMPANY EXISTING IN CALIFORNIA (meaning the headquarters, software, management, everything would have to be previously located in California) That means FTP and Stars have absolutely no chance of getting a contract under this bill the way it's currently written. The bill also states that the networks would only contain players from California, so the whole rest of the world would be excluded from these sites.

This could potentially be the WORST thing to happen to online poker players in California, and we all need to start fighting this shit immediately or we're all fucked.

If random joe and grandma mae can use all major credit and debit cards to try out what they see on tv on sites like this across the nation you'd be a fool to continue playing on pokerstars or FTP. As one single state driven site, the idea doesn't seem stellar. It's the implications it will have down the road when other states start seeing the revenue generated (and yes much revenue will be generated because running a poker site is CHEAP compared to the rake charged) and start getting in on the action. Once a few states have this setup with financial reports on revenue generated how long do you think it will be before there are sites that are nationally endorsed available to anyone in the 50 states?

If its bye bye to PS and FTP then I'm all for it as I'd love to play with USA donks who are able to quickly and easily use major credit cards and debit cards to deposit instead of those on major sites who jump through fire and hoops to make a single deposit.

EDIT: Here's an example...
Take sites like Pureplay or any site that charges a monthly membership and runs tournaments around the clock with cash prizes. These sites pick up all those mom/pop/randomnewb members who try to use their regular credit/debit card on Pokerstars or FTP, get declined, and look elsewhere to play. These sites have members who want to pay to play, but are not gonna go through a hassle to deposit on a major site (90% of the US donks we want) and the play on these sites is BY FAR the worst on the net. It's like being back in 2003.

If this were picked up nationally, taxed, regulated and government approved & promoted can you imagine how fishy the games will be?

 

Originally Posted by Somepokerguy

If random joe and grandma mae can use all major credit and debit cards to try out what they see on tv on sites like this across the nation you'd be a fool to continue playing on pokerstars or FTP. As one single state driven site, the idea doesn't seem stellar. It's the implications it will have down the road when other states start seeing the revenue generated (and yes much revenue will be generated because running a poker site is CHEAP compared to the rake charged) and start getting in on the action. Once a few states have this setup with financial reports on revenue generated how long do you think it will be before there are sites that are nationally endorsed available to anyone in the 50 states?

If its bye bye to PS and FTP then I'm all for it as I'd love to play with USA donks who are able to quickly and easily use major credit cards and debit cards to deposit instead of those on major sites who jump through fire and hoops to make a single deposit.

You seem to be missing the point that having a site that gives access to the whole world (6 billion and counting) like Pokerstars or FTP is going to have a lot more money to be made then a site that limits it's access to just 1 state. Not only that, but do you think the site is going to operate the same way as FTP and Stars? Will we be able to 20 table MTTs accross 5 different sites all day long? NO. In fact we might not be able to multi table at all.

Even if this does pass, which I dont think it will, then it's not like all the other states are going to all of a sudden jump on the bandwagon and follow suit right away. These things take time. Factor in that California isn't going to want to share their cut of the revenues that such sites would bring in with other states and that makes it even less likely that this would all of a sudden become the next national craze. Also it's not like random fish have been dying for an opportunity to do something like this either this site isn't going to blow up in a week and make us all forget about what real online poker is all about.

This sounds like it would be a good thing for casual players and a horrible thing for those of us who rely on online poker for a significant chunk (or all) of our income. It's a bad idea, and we can't let this go down the way they're trying to make it go down.

BTW OP plz change the title of the thread to Fuck California or something along those lines so people don't get the wrong idea about this.

I agree with a lot of what Cejeh is saying ITT, intrastate licensed sites are a very bad thing.

Do you think they will, CeJeH?

I agree with a lot of your thoughts above but have to wonder if PPA will just stay quiet on this issue even if their biggest clients is offshore corporations. It seems like they'll be focusing on the opposite side of the coin, the legislators and judicial courts trying to shove the whole "Make it illegal" angle down our throats.

They're probably not too keen on battling both sides at the same time.

Not enough money in it...

Can we call somebody from the PPA and ask them about this? Isn't this their job to take care of things like this? I havent received an email or anything from them about this.