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Call a 4-Bet Shove Here?

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  1. Icebeast26 Icebeast26 is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2010 (1/18/2010 9:42am)

    I play mainly 6-max cash games and don't put in a lot of tourney volume.

    Had a spot last nite in a $5 KO on Full Tilt that I thought you guys could advise me on. Seems standard, but wanted to double check.

    Opponent in the hand is running 31/26 after 16 hands, so he's been pretty active. I play a typical TAG style and I don't think he had seen me do much other than possibly raise and take down the blinds once or twice.

    The following hand goes down w/ 174 peeps left. I'm around 100th ATM and it pays top 108. Winning the hand would give me a top 20 stack.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #17688301202: $5 + $0.50 Knockout (133247930), Table 87 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:01:52 ET - 2010/01/17
    Seat 1: MMAdoc (24,897)
    Seat 2: Icebeast26 (6,710)
    Seat 3: theshark1966 (9,246)
    Seat 5: MAJORALLINSI (1,720)
    Seat 6: CUSTOMMADE1 (9,523)
    Seat 7: --RAY-ROCKET-- (4,805)
    Seat 8: Lee GBR (12,265)
    Seat 9: StMaSe (7,187)
    MMAdoc antes 25
    Icebeast26 antes 25
    theshark1966 antes 25
    MAJORALLINSI antes 25
    CUSTOMMADE1 antes 25
    --RAY-ROCKET-- antes 25
    Lee GBR antes 25
    StMaSe antes 25
    theshark1966 posts the small blind of 120
    MAJORALLINSI posts the big blind of 240
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Icebeast26 [Ah Kc]
    CUSTOMMADE1 has 15 seconds left to act
    CUSTOMMADE1 raises to 720 (UTG)
    --RAY-ROCKET-- folds
    Lee GBR folds
    StMaSe folds
    MMAdoc folds
    Icebeast26 has 15 seconds left to act
    Icebeast26 raises to 2,555 (BUTTON)
    theshark1966 folds
    MAJORALLINSI folds
    CUSTOMMADE1 raises to 9,498, and is all in
    Icebeast26 calls 4,130, and is all in ??????
    CUSTOMMADE1 shows [9s 9d]
    Icebeast26 shows [Ah Kc]
    Uncalled bet of 2,813 returned to CUSTOMMADE1
    *** FLOP *** [Ts Js 6d]
    *** TURN *** [Ts Js 6d] [7d]
    *** RIVER *** [Ts Js 6d 7d] [9c]
    CUSTOMMADE1 shows three of a kind, Nines
    Icebeast26 shows Ace King high
    CUSTOMMADE1 wins the pot (13,930) with three of a kind, Nines
    Icebeast26 stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 13,930 | Rake 0
    Board: [Ts Js 6d 7d 9c]
    Seat 1: MMAdoc folded before the Flop

    I'm not really concerned with the results of the hand, but is this a spot where you either shit or get off the pot? I possibly fold if the opponent is a little tighter, considering he was UTG, but I just couldn't give him credit for a premium hand with his stat line. My initial thoughts are that he never has air here, but could go crazy with as little as 66+ or AJ+. Do you get it in here and hope for the best or fold and try to make something happen w/ ~15 BB's left?
  2. redfan73 redfan73 is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2010 (1/18/2010 10:09am) in reply to Icebeast26

    Personally, I think your 3-bet was the initial mistake. AK is a drawing hand, not to mention you were off suit
    However, if you do choose to 3 bet here, you have to insta-fold to the 4 bet from early position.

    Next time try flatting from the button with AK. True poker is played postflop not preflop. If you want to play nothing but preflop poker with a hand like this, maybe your should take up craps.

    GL
  3. deckeriv deckeriv is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2010 (1/18/2010 10:09am) in reply to Icebeast26

    Your M=11 to start the hand and you have AK. The only real question is how do you get your chips in the middle so you can double up. I like the 3bet call rather than a straight jam although either works. The 3bet jam looks like AK 100% of the time and the smaller 3bet might get AQ to stack off. Of course you call the 4bet as the pot is offering 31% break even pot odds and you have at least 42% equity.
  4. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2010 (1/18/2010 10:54am) in reply to deckeriv

     
    Originally Posted by deckeriv View Post

    Your M=11 to start the hand and you have AK. The only real question is how do you get your chips in the middle so you can double up. I like the 3bet call rather than a straight jam although either works. The 3bet jam looks like AK 100% of the time and the smaller 3bet might get AQ to stack off. Of course you call the 4bet as the pot is offering 31% break even pot odds and you have at least 42% equity.

    ^^ This.....

    I like the 3-bet/call line and the 3-bet size. With M=11 when you put in > 1/3 of your stack you are commited and the 3-bet size lets you call correctly for any pair KK-. I'm good with the shove too.

    my 2 cents
  5. kommie kommie is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2010 (1/19/2010 8:26am) in reply to Icebeast26

    like the other dude said, with an M of 11 it is not if or how its is when and where can I get it in. I disagree with the dude on the pf post flop comment, if he shows you 99 here are you not gonna call? The comment of not suited should clear up and questions of his mtt knowledge, the 4% add of suited shouldn't make a fking difference, jam it and hold on!!
     
  6. Icebeast26 Icebeast26 is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2010 (1/19/2010 1:37pm) in reply to Icebeast26

    Thanks for the input everyone!
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