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Call or fold?

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  1. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 3:45am)

    <SPAN>In my mind this was a close decision between folding & calling. Does anyone have a reasoned advice here?

    pokerstars Game #29740742730: Tournament #174361953, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/06/24 16:45:33 ET
    Table '174361953 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 2: Jaap69golf (2635 in chips)
    Seat 3: XMrX201 (1105 in chips)
    Seat 4: Shakesbier (1430 in chips)
    Seat 5: JJJJJ83 (1390 in chips)
    Seat 6: harlyy (1080 in chips)
    Seat 7: Bärry90 (1190 in chips)
    Seat 8: M4RCH4 (3050 in chips)
    Seat 9: Glaz_Ko (1620 in chips)
    Bärry90: posts small blind 50
    M4RCH4: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Jaap69golf [Jd Qd]
    Glaz_Ko: folds
    Jaap69golf: raises 200 to 300
    XMrX201: folds
    Shakesbier: folds
    JJJJJ83: folds
    harlyy: raises 780 to 1080 and is all-in
    Bärry90: folds
    M4RCH4: folds
    Jaap69golf: ???

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  2. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 9:10am) in reply to DutchCourage

    This doesn't seem close at all, quite apart from the fact that an initial fold was clearly better play than your raise; with the pot laying 1230 to 780 required for your call, you aren't getting nearly the right price for those hands which dominate yours. Even when you think your opponent may simply be making a move, why toss off 40% of your starting stack on a marginal hand and situation?
  3. Rev.K Rev.K is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 10:13am) in reply to hushpuckena

    Way to easy for you to be dominated here. At best you're in a race situation and if you lose you're going to be hurtin. Best case scenario for you is that he has T-T and you're flipping, but he could easily have a higher wheelhouse holding and put you in a bad spot.
  4. 8ntmuch 8ntmuch is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 11:55am) in reply to Rev.K

    If you are going to raise this hand from early position with short stacks behind you, you have to do it with the intent of calling off. If you aren't willing to call the short shove then just fold pre.

    And I disagree with being dominated.... The short stack could be shoving any pair, suited connectors or any A. I think you got yourself in this position, now you have to call off.
  5. elusively elusively is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2009 (6/25/2009 12:10pm) in reply to 8ntmuch

     
    Originally Posted by 8ntmuch View Post

    If you are going to raise this hand from early position with short stacks behind you, you have to do it with the intent of calling off. If you aren't willing to call the short shove then just fold pre.

    And I disagree with being dominated.... The short stack could be shoving any pair, suited connectors or any A. I think you got yourself in this position, now you have to call off.

    This. You have to call, you're getting almost exactly 2-1. The lesson here is that you need to have a plan for each villian (and their respective stacks) left to act behind you.

    I would also recommend opening a little less, say 250-275.
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