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Call or fold? 55 turbo 2x chance

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  1. dalix88 dalix88 is offline

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    Jul 29th, 2012 (7/29/2012 7:06pm)

    Meh, I'm pretty sure this is a fold. I kinda used some donk logic to justify the call (ie. I'm ahead of the shover's range, and I decided the caller could have AQ). Although it seems close, you'd think AA/KK aren't too often and we have roughly 36% equity when we are against 2 underpairs, just wanted to know what others think. Both players seemed competent btw, no specific reads.

    pokerstars Hand #84013231198: Tournament #589957852, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2012/07/29 18:50:58 WET [2012/07/29 13:50:58 ET]
    Table '589957852 26' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Gaasbeek888 (6850 in chips)
    Seat 2: stanman420 (2640 in chips)
    Seat 3: makraan (3263 in chips)
    Seat 4: pha7Ngoooo (3020 in chips)
    Seat 5: Ansgar2000 (2675 in chips)
    Seat 6: knutante (5967 in chips)
    Seat 7: dalix88 (5935 in chips)
    Seat 8: ROSTBURK (5943 in chips)
    Seat 9: KvicKiller (2970 in chips)
    Gaasbeek888: posts the ante 25
    stanman420: posts the ante 25
    makraan: posts the ante 25
    pha7Ngoooo: posts the ante 25
    Ansgar2000: posts the ante 25
    knutante: posts the ante 25
    dalix88: posts the ante 25
    ROSTBURK: posts the ante 25
    KvicKiller: posts the ante 25
    dalix88: posts small blind 150
    ROSTBURK: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dalix88 [Kh As]
    KvicKiller: folds
    Gaasbeek888: raises 6525 to 6825 and is all-in
    stanman420: folds
    makraan: folds
    pha7Ngoooo: folds
    Ansgar2000: folds
    knutante: calls 5942 and is all-in
    dalix88: calls 5760 and is all-in
    ROSTBURK: folds
    Edited By: dalix88 Jul 29th, 2012 at 07:07 PM
     
  2. ImAllinHoney ImAllinHoney is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2012 (7/30/2012 3:22am) in reply to dalix88

    given the fact that this is a turbo tournament and youre about to be <10BB in 10 minutes or so i anyway think you need to go for the big stack.

    also dont think villain1 is that strong. he might not choose to open shove TT+ for effective 20bbish so, as you said, youre ahead of his range.

    villain2 couldve picked up on that so his calling range could be pretty wide.

    dont think folding is +ev here as its even possible that you dominate both
  3. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Jul 30th, 2012 (7/30/2012 5:19pm) in reply to ImAllinHoney

    You probably have enough equity to call here. The issue is that if one person has Ax and another has a pair, you're often sharing outs. I'd probably just fold and look for better spots to shove. If they had less than 13-15bbs, I'd call. You still have 20bbs, which is heaps for this, and can probably find better spots.
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  4. Tippinator22 Tippinator22 is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2012 (7/30/2012 6:51pm) in reply to tyson219

    I'd put Gaasbeek888 on AK, TT-QQ, and knutante on AK, QQ+.

    Thus your equity is 21% --- so I'd fold.
    Edited By: Tippinator22 Jul 30th, 2012 at 06:52 PM
  5. collincapone collincapone is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2012 (7/30/2012 7:07pm) in reply to Tippinator22

    First shover usually shows up with a small pair or kj suited+ in these turbos. The caller really could be wide as in aq, ak or pairs 88 to AA. I think you are a bit to deep to be stacking off here.
     
  6. razorpoker2002 razorpoker2002 is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2012 (7/30/2012 7:43pm) in reply to collincapone

    Yea I agree a little to deep to justify calling here. You can def find a better spot.
     
  7. Sbervo Sbervo is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2012 (7/30/2012 10:42pm) in reply to razorpoker2002

    People fold here?
    is this thread a level?
  8. collincapone collincapone is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2012 (7/30/2012 11:49pm) in reply to Sbervo

    I Would fold and wonder what could have been when I see 33 vs QQ and A hits on flop.
     
  9. leeroydafish leeroydafish is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 3:34am) in reply to collincapone

    Going threeway for 20bb is not desirable in my eyes. As others mentioned you're probably sharing outs here with the A in your hand. I'd rather call off with QQ here but sigh fold AK (and cry when an A flops and you would have beat 77 and AJ).
  10. iamthedeck ftw iamthedeck ftw is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 3:46am) in reply to leeroydafish

    I don't fold ak here. I would say AQ is def in the shovers range and prob in the callers range, which makes it a call for me. Original shover can't be competent open jamming 23bb from +1
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