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Call or fold vs. river over-shove close to bubble of 11c

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  1. Ntaust10 Ntaust10 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2012 (8/7/2012 8:38pm)

    I don't have exact stack sizes but I believe I had ~80k and he had ~50k.

    I'm 1/20 with 15 paid.

    I had been playing super agg basically opening every hand and 3betting some. This guy had 3bet me twice in obvious spots and I 4bet stuffed both times and he folded pretty quickly. He was on the TAGish side, and hadn't 3bet me from EP yet.

    We played 1 pot postflop where i opened button, he 3bet super deep from SB, and i flatted like 53hh. I floated flop c-bet and took it away on the turn.

    He's seen me play really agg, and like 3bet shove flops. I actually won a full orbit of hands in a row at one point.

    I guess because of how easy I can accumulate I should fold? idk, just a gross river over-shove (38k into 25)

    I was in first, and would have had like 3x the chips of 2nd if i called and was right. like 20 left, 15 paid.

    TufffDonkAA Posts Ante 125.00
    Nokaman Posts Ante 125.00
    GnNaRiVrYoU Posts Ante 125.00
    maximusdecimus10 Posts Ante 125.00
    Burzumito Posts Ante 125.00
    TheCorporation Posts Ante 125.00
    glassjake Posts Ante 125.00
    glassjake Posts SB 600.00
    TufffDonkAA Posts BB 1200.00
    Nokaman - (Ts Td)
    Nokaman Raised to 2400.00
    GnNaRiVrYoU Raised to 5400.00
    maximusdecimus10 Folds
    Burzumito Folds
    TheCorporation Folds
    glassjake Folds
    TufffDonkAA Folds
    Nokaman Calls 3000.00
    Flop - 5s 7d 2d
    Nokaman Checks
    GnNaRiVrYoU Bets 5400.00
    Nokaman Calls 5400.00
    Turn - 5s 7d 2d (9d)
    Nokaman Checks
    GnNaRiVrYoU Checks
    River - 5s 7d 2d 9d (3d)
    Nokaman Checks
    GnNaRiVrYoU All In 38336.00
    Nokaman ??????
  2. aupoker1 aupoker1 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2012 (8/7/2012 10:42pm) in reply to Ntaust10

    I don't know. Weird spot given the dynamics you laid out. He checked back the turn which is weird. I think I would of bet the turn if I'm you. As played its just a big old bluff or ace of diamonds. I think I just fold . Plenty of chips still and you probably can find better spots.
  3. EricWRX EricWRX is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2012 (8/8/2012 12:48am) in reply to aupoker1

    I'd prob fold pre...Don't level yourself into thinking you have this dynamic with a tag player in an 11c where he's coming after you light UTG vs UTG+1 when you have a massive stack. He's way less likely to come after you after you already 4b him twice and he folded. In position i'd go with it. But here, i bet he's just begging you to come over the top.

    As played I'd B/F river...I don't think many people are capable of 3betting light here in a 11c, there are a lot of A and K in his range and i think the only thing he's shoving on the river is a K or A high flush and air. From the position he 3b i just give him credit. My guess he turned the draw and just took the free card and just made the shove hoping you think he's bluffing and hero him. He'd be checking back any big pair without and diamond. He'd prob just make a standard value bet with <Q flushes..Imo, the only thing you can hope for is a AQ AK hand that missed...Not sure if he'd check back AA or KK with a diamond on the turn (i can see it though)..I just think if he's bluffing he's doing something on the turn, not checking as it looks extremely fishy to B/X/jam river.
     
  4. cracker9ball cracker9ball is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2012 (8/8/2012 1:23am) in reply to EricWRX

    As played it seems he would see you as aggressive and not really every slow-playing hands. It would seem he is trying to steal the pot on the river expecting a fold not shoving for value. I would call as played.
     
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