Interesting hand, I thought.

Full Tilt Poker Game $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:05:55 ET - 2009/03/27
Seat 1: resplandor ($20.50)
Seat 2: D0nk3y-King ($39.45), is sitting out
Seat 3: BelleBibou ($42.90)
Seat 4: The Desslock ($158.30)
Seat 5: trial12 ($131.80)
Seat 6: tr0ch72 ($21.50)
Seat 7: I play 73 ($154.35)
Seat 8: HarryPotter666 ($20)
Seat 9: malaxe ($25.60)
resplandor posts the small blind of $0.50
BelleBibou posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Desslock [7h 7c]
The Desslock raises to $3
trial12 calls $3
tr0ch72 folds
I play 73 calls $3
HarryPotter666 folds
malaxe calls $3
resplandor folds
BelleBibou folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs 7s As] [pot $10.50]
The Desslock checks
D0nk3y-King stands up
trial12 has 15 seconds left to act
trial12 checks
I play 73 checks
malaxe checks
*** TURN *** [Qs 7s As] [Ad][pot $10.50]
The Desslock bets $7
trial12 calls $7
I play 73 calls $7
malaxe folds
*** RIVER *** [Qs 7s As Ad] [Ks][pot $31.50]
The Desslock has 15 seconds left to act
The Desslock checks
trial12 has 15 seconds left to act
trial12 bets $15
I play 73 raises to $30

The Desslock?? [pot $76.50] [Iplay73 with $100 behind, trial12 with $106 behind, me slightly covering both]

betflop

I think im leading the flop there..

And I dunno. I would never raise here. As soon as I see a mini-raise its usually uber strong.. I might just call.. And may even fold if I had some info on the villians. But I guess call.. And then if trial reships and I Play calls then I probably muck .

Folding and hating myself for it. Depending on how they have been playing. I guess having a HUD up on these guys would be helpful. In general on FTP you dont see too many players getting that out of line on the river like that.

 

Originally Posted by jesterwords

Honestly, what hands beat your boat?

AKo

AQo

10Js

A7o

At least three of those hands will call a $3 preflop raise.

The flop action is confusing a bit, but I would bet the flop anyway in this instance. There is 10.50 in the pot on the flop. Roughly half the pot is probably what I would look to bet on that flop. Then evaluate what occurs after the flop bet.

AK 3bets pre like 90% of the time AQ/A7 both play flop and turn more aggressively. I think the best hand you're going to see the Js here like 85% of the time

 

Originally Posted by Desslock

 

Originally Posted by jesterwords

Honestly, what hands beat your boat?

AKo

AQo

10Js

A7o

Also QQ and KK.

To the extent you think those are impossible, only a couple of orbits earlier, trip smoothcalled my AQs raise with a big pair, and won a big pot from me on an AxxQ board.

okay so he "might" have KK. I still think he plays QQ differently on the turn

hmm, this is very interesting to me. 'cos my first thought is raisy daisy!
The way i look at it (which is through donkey glasses mind you) is:
AA, QQ, KK, AK raise pre...?
AQ would probly have a stab at the flop, no?
so I'd only be worried about A7 or JTss... Doubt A7 is in here, especially as you got two of em.
I'd probly convince myself he is doin' the old tiny raise bluff or JJ with a spade and stick it in...

like i said, i'm pretty poo though, 'specially in cash...
So you guys reckon he's got it a fair amount of the time here?

 

Originally Posted by Gouldster

hmm, this is very interesting to me. 'cos my first thought is raisy daisy!
The way i look at it (which is through donkey glasses mind you) is:
AA, QQ, KK, AK raise pre...?
AQ would probly have a stab at the flop, no?
so I'd only be worried about A7 or JTss... Doubt A7 is in here, especially as you got two of em.
I'd probly convince myself he is doin' the old tiny raise bluff or JJ with a spade and stick it in...

like i said, i'm pretty poo though, 'specially in cash...
So you guys reckon he's got it a fair amount of the time here?

I think 77 is ahead here like 85% of the time but i'm just calling unless one of them is reallly terrible then i shove

 

Originally Posted by ImSoMucked

okay so he "might" have KK. I still think he plays QQ differently on the turn

I like your reasoning in this and your earlier posts, other than I think people raise a lot less than you'd expect with AK against an EP raiser and caller right behind them. On Full Tilt these games are pretty nitty (far nittier than the same level on stars, in my experience).

I think raising is crazy -- to me the choice was between calling and hoping Iplay doesn't push (in which case you almost have to be beat unless he's really bad) and folding, which is probably too nitty but not terrible considering I've only put $10 in the pot.

re: betting flop -- probably best -- I didn't bet in order to control pot size since there were 4 players in the pot and I didn't want to be in an awkward spot out of position -- it's the kind of flop people bluff raise in position, or raise with a pair and a high spade draw or two pair, and then you're stuck out of position. Obviously if it was a tournament where we had 20-30 bb I'd play it faster, but with 160 blinds I'd rather play it slower in a 4 way pot. Naturally I was hoping to get raised on the turn though.

 

Originally Posted by ImSoMucked

results?

 

Originally Posted by ImSoMucked

results?

trial12 had AJ with Js I play 73's play was nutty with just 10s

 

Originally Posted by ImSoMucked

 

Originally Posted by Desslock

 

Originally Posted by ImSoMucked

results?

trial12 had AJ with Js I play 73's play was nutty with just 10s

did u call?

Nope, played bad and nitted it up and mucked, essentially burning $90 because I didn't spend the time to think through the hand properly - I think your thought process on the other hands was bang on, which is why it was a call.

Probably gunshy because trial12 slowplayed a big pair the previous hand I mentioned and didn't want to get sandwiched between him and a bozo, coldcalling $30 with him behind me.

I don't completely hate my river play though, given the history and how nitty these games play, but if I thought it through better in the manner you indicated I think this is a must call even with a guy behind me who led out the river pretty strong.