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  1. hockeyaces hockeyaces is offline

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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 2:26pm)

    I usually use implied odds 20bb for raiser and 30bb for hero when calling from the BB with SC. I don't have any hands on the villian but I assumed his range was farely wide raising from the CO. Should I just fold a hand like this if I dont have more info on the raiser. Maybe take a different line if I flop top pair without any draw?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #21580583178: $10,000 Guarantee (166277229), Table 31 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:01:04 ET - 2010/06/13
    Seat 1: Mr_Tiff_Hun (24,141)
    Seat 2: horza77 (36,218)
    Seat 3: hockeyaces (42,933)
    Seat 4: giorgoskey (16,672)
    Seat 5: Kkking86 (9,000)
    Seat 6: iHitTheBoard (25,601)
    Seat 7: edoardode57 (7,402)
    Seat 8: jomanda (20,008)
    Seat 9: frankattack (22,125)
    Mr_Tiff_Hun antes 100
    horza77 antes 100
    hockeyaces antes 100
    giorgoskey antes 100
    Kkking86 antes 100
    iHitTheBoard antes 100
    edoardode57 antes 100
    jomanda antes 100
    frankattack antes 100
    horza77 posts the small blind of 400
    hockeyaces posts the big blind of 800
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to hockeyaces [Th 8h]
    giorgoskey folds
    Kkking86 folds
    iHitTheBoard folds
    edoardode57 folds
    jomanda raises to 2,000
    frankattack folds
    Mr_Tiff_Hun folds
    horza77 folds
    hockeyaces calls 1,200
    *** FLOP *** [2h 7c Ts]
    hockeyaces checks
    jomanda bets 4,000
    hockeyaces raises to 40,833, and is all in
    jomanda calls 13,908, and is all in
    hockeyaces shows [Th 8h]
    jomanda shows [Td Ah]
    Uncalled bet of 22,925 returned to hockeyaces
    *** TURN *** [2h 7c Ts] [Qd]
    *** RIVER *** [2h 7c Ts Qd] [2d]
    hockeyaces shows two pair, Tens and Twos
    jomanda shows two pair, Tens and Twos
    jomanda wins the pot (41,116) with two pair, Tens and Twos
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  2. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 3:03pm) in reply to hockeyaces

    " I usually use implied odds 20bb for raiser and 30bb for hero when calling from the BB with SC."

    i dont think this statement makes sense

    as for the hand i rly hate calling here. your not deep enough to be calling with these types of hands, esp OOP. if you want to play it its a good hand to try a resteal with preflop but calling with this shallow of an effective stack OOP will hurt you more than help you.
     
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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 3:16pm) in reply to okse54

    Okay if I re-steal in that situation do you stack off or 3 bet?
     
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  4. EyeKnows EyeKnows is offline

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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 5:04pm) in reply to hockeyaces

    this line/shove is silly imo.

    what's calling you that you have beat? what is folding that beats you? my answers are almost nothing to both questions so this line makes no sense.
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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 7:48pm) in reply to EyeKnows

    Very awkward situation, and quite difficult without any kind of read at all on villain. Don't think there really is a clear cut answer here.

    IMO the shove is fine because once you see that flop you're in a bind and you know he's going to c-bet if checked to, but you won't know what the c-bet means. You're either crushed or he has a big ace. (88 99 is such a small % of his range that I would disregard trying to get more value from them in the interest of protecting against his over cards). With AK or AQ he might even feel committed to call your shove and try and draw out.

    On the other hand, once you've seen the flop a check / call isn't terrible either, but you can only do that if you are going to be willing to let go of your hand depending on the turn card and your read (which at this point would be just a gut feeling based on his action on the turn - does he want you to fold or call?). It's kind of weak, but this is a very marginal situation that I don't think is worth losing half your stack. On that point - folding pre I think is OK. I love 810 suited, but you need to be multi-way in position. To really feel good about your hand you need a real big flop, and I don't think his stack size warrants that risk.
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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 10:38pm) in reply to Patchizo

    Check shoving 52 bbs is never a good idea. I usually would call the raise and check/call every street unless he gets crazy. Otherwise, I like a good 3 bet with a continuation on the flop and slow down if he calls. 3rd option is folding...
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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 10:57pm) in reply to agilles

    i don't like protecting my BB with mediocre hands(playing OPP)
     
  8. EyeKnows EyeKnows is offline

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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 11:24pm) in reply to agilles

    just saw villain doesn't have so many chips so I take back the "silly" but I still don't like it unless you think you are getting a call when he has just overs or pp lower than 99.
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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 11:31pm) in reply to hockeyaces

     
    Originally Posted by hockeyaces View Post

    I don't have any hands on the villian but I assumed his range was farely wide raising from the CO. Should I just fold a hand like this if I dont have more info on the raiser.


    fold pre
     
  10. Wein Wein is offline Sunday Millionaire

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    Jun 17th, 2010 (6/17/2010 11:38pm) in reply to stlboy05

    def just a fold pre, I think. If he's been active you can 3bet out of the big but it's meh.
     
  11. m_hawk_1 m_hawk_1 is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 1:15am) in reply to Wein

    Close, i think I probably peel a flop if the raise is closer to min, but at 2.5x I think I just let it go.
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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 1:18am) in reply to m_hawk_1

    the sb and bb are the most worthless positions on the table. unless you can limpin to a multi way pot or play as the bb vs the sb just fold everything that ur not gonna 3bet/get it in with.
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