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Calling Lightly from the BB, a leak or okay?

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  1. Michael_B Michael_B is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2008 (2/8/2008 1:08am)

    pokerstars Game #15137866247: Tournament #76072742, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/02/08 - 00:44:34 (ET)
    Table '76072742 33' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    <span>Seat 1: TakeThatCash (3952 in chips) </span>
    <span>Seat 2: 00psiedaisy (6972 in chips) </span>
    Seat 3: murraymints2 (22578 in chips)
    Seat 4: seanmo85 (7681 in chips)
    Seat 5: joe9859 (12989 in chips)
    Seat 6: trevail (4439 in chips)
    Seat 7: Cheers2Beers (11566 in chips)
    Seat 8: lyerly_ (4781 in chips)
    Seat 9: mcnallyville (8428 in chips)
    TakeThatCash: posts the ante 25
    00psiedaisy: posts the ante 25
    murraymints2: posts the ante 25
    seanmo85: posts the ante 25
    joe9859: posts the ante 25
    trevail: posts the ante 25
    Cheers2Beers: posts the ante 25
    lyerly_: posts the ante 25
    mcnallyville: posts the ante 25
    mcnallyville: posts small blind 150
    <span>TakeThatCash: posts big blind 300</span>
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to TakeThatCash [Ts 9c]
    <span>00psiedaisy: raises 447 to 747 [TAG opponent]</span>
    murraymints2: folds
    seanmo85: folds
    joe9859: folds
    trevail: folds
    Cheers2Beers: folds
    lyerly_: folds
    mcnallyville: folds <span>[Pot 1422; Villain has 6225 behind, I have 3652 behind after posting bb]</span>
    <span>TakeThatCash: calls 447

    My friend advocates always raising or folding and having control of the pot. I admit I agree to a great extent although I like to see more flops cheaply and play postflop. I tend to see more flops in the big blind with marginal hands if I'm min-raised. I called hoping to hit a flop hard and my hand would also be disguised if I did so. Also against most of my opponent's range for raising UTG, my two cards would be live cards.

    So is this call a leak in my game? Should I be folding despite great odds/implied odds?

    </span><span>*** FLOP *** [2d 4s 9d]</span>
    <span>TakeThatCash: checks </span>
    <span>00psiedaisy: bets 1098</span>
    <span>TakeThatCash: raises 2082 to 3180 and is all-in

    As played... definitely had to check raise any c.bet here with top pair on the flop.

    00psiedaisy: calls 2082</span>
    <span>*** TURN *** [2d 4s 9d] [6h]</span>
    <span>*** RIVER *** [2d 4s 9d 6h] [5d]</span>
    <span>*** SHOW DOWN ***</span>
    <span>TakeThatCash: shows [Ts 9c] (a pair of Nines)</span>
    <span>00psiedaisy: shows [Tc Td] (a pair of Tens)</span>
    <span>00psiedaisy collected 8229 from pot</span>
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8229 | Rake 0
    Board [2d 4s 9d 6h 5d]
    <span>Seat 1: TakeThatCash (big blind) showed [Ts 9c] and lost with a pair of Nines</span>
    <span>Seat 2: 00psiedaisy showed [Tc Td] and won (8229) with a pair of Tens</span>
    Seat 3: murraymints2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: seanmo85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: joe9859 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: trevail folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Cheers2Beers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: lyerly_ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: mcnallyville (small blind) folded before Flop

    Given the stack sizes I THINK this was a bad call from me. Maybe if I had a deeper stack this call would be okay. Maybe not?

    Is this even profitable? When my opponent turns over 99+, 44, or 22 I'm dominated. And almost always lose my whole stack (close to 4k)...

    When he has AK AQ AJ KQ KJ etc... He either folds and I win the pot plus the C.bet after I checkraise (2967 chips) or he calls and I either win 7131, or still get outdrawn and bust out.

    And then there's the small chance I'm a favorite when the villain turns over a smaller pair. Even then I might get outdrawn... but most likely I double up here.

    Do I make it more complicated by calling here? Should I just fold preflop and go onto the next hand or is that being too passive? Just need some opinions please. Thanks.
  2. chknpotpie chknpotpie is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2008 (2/8/2008 1:16am) in reply to Michael_B

    fold pre, specialyl with 4k. utg raise hes not raising lighter than 88/99 AJ+, i dont see how u see value in calling from the bb.
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