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Calling Range Deep In 100r 6max MET

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  1. Cre8ive Cre8ive is offline Moderator

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    Mar 31st, 2011 (3/31/2011 8:56pm)

    Here's the history... 33 left in the 100r 6max MET on FTP last night. I've been grinding a decent amount more online recently and have played with Pwn and Big Huni a little bit in last few weeks. I have been very active at this table, this is my third time opening in this spot for the third orbit in a row. Pwn has been playing aggressively as well and I imagine him being very capable/light 3betting the button here probably 40-50% of the time. It might not be that high, but it's high enough. Big Huni has recently been moved to the table and has been there for 5-6 orbits I believe. When Huni moved to the table I brought up the hand where he got his chips (100bb pot) 56 vs 69 all in on a 578 board and it came 6 5 just seconds before he was moved to my table. I acknowledged it was a sick hand and he agreed, etc. No berating or anything but it could be relevant. Then this spot comes up. What is your calling range here?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #29495931059: $200,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (226188037), Table 219 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 03:26:46 ET - 2011/03/31
    Seat 1: bigt439 (113,963)
    Seat 2: Ali Sarkeshik (262,426)
    Seat 3: Cre8ive (314,969)
    Seat 4: acumen53 (264,054)
    Seat 5: Pwnasaurus (180,054)
    Seat 6: Big Huni (516,031)
    bigt439 antes 600
    Ali Sarkeshik antes 600
    Cre8ive antes 600
    acumen53 antes 600
    Pwnasaurus antes 600
    Big Huni antes 600
    Big Huni posts the small blind of 2,500
    bigt439 posts the big blind of 5,000
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Cre8ive [X X]
    Ali Sarkeshik folds
    Cre8ive has 15 seconds left to act
    Cre8ive raises to 10,000
    acumen53 folds
    Pwnasaurus has 15 seconds left to act
    Pwnasaurus has requested TIME
    Pwnasaurus raises to 25,000
    Big Huni has 15 seconds left to act
    Big Huni raises to 515,431, and is all in
    bigt439 folds
    Cre8ive ??????
      
  2. Drewfus81 Drewfus81 is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2011 (3/31/2011 8:59pm) in reply to Cre8ive

    Tough spot because its so absurd.....
    Probably not folding JJ, def not folding QQ....Prob shouldn't be folding AK either but I might dump it and never tell anyone.
     
  3. Pghfan987 Pghfan987 is offline

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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 12:13am) in reply to Drewfus81

    AK, TT+? I mean is he really jamming better than TT when he can 4-bet with at least the illusion of being light? If we sigh fold TT as the top of our range I don't hate it, but I'm def snap calling AK and JJ based on the info given.
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 12:42am) in reply to Pghfan987

    10s+, AKo. pretty much what everyone else has said so far
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 1:09am) in reply to pokerproplaya08

    Def not folding TT, might call 99. He's 4-betting smaller to induce with like every bigger pair.
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 3:24am) in reply to setherson2

    Okay... just to spice this up... Why or why not should you call here?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #29495931059: $200,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (226188037), Table 219 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 03:26:46 ET - 2011/03/31
    Seat 1: bigt439 (113,963)
    Seat 2: Ali Sarkeshik (262,426)
    Seat 3: Cre8ive (314,969)
    Seat 4: acumen53 (264,054)
    Seat 5: Pwnasaurus (180,054)
    Seat 6: Big Huni (516,031)
    bigt439 antes 600
    Ali Sarkeshik antes 600
    Cre8ive antes 600
    acumen53 antes 600
    Pwnasaurus antes 600
    Big Huni antes 600
    Big Huni posts the small blind of 2,500
    bigt439 posts the big blind of 5,000
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Cre8ive [Kd Ah]
    Ali Sarkeshik folds
    Cre8ive has 15 seconds left to act
    Cre8ive raises to 10,000
    acumen53 folds
    Pwnasaurus has 15 seconds left to act
    Pwnasaurus has requested TIME
    Pwnasaurus raises to 25,000
    Big Huni has 15 seconds left to act
    Big Huni raises to 515,431, and is all in
    bigt439 folds
    Cre8ive ...?
      
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 3:29am) in reply to Cre8ive

    as soon as i saw that u made this thread i knew that this was gonna be this hand.

    i was watching your table when this hand took place, you def can't ever even consider folding AK here. i think you probably can profitably get in a very very wide range here vs huni...i mean something like 99+AJ+ prolly even would be ok.

    i'm not gonna say huni is insannnnnnne...but last time we played together he 5b/folded on more than 1 occasion...
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 7:14am) in reply to Gags30

    Yeah.. i mean you saw me basically snap it off... I was ready for a 4ball not a 4ball shove.. given dynamics and all. Didn't think I could ever fold. But after pokerstoving even a range of like any pair + all broadways I'm only 58/42 or something...

    Even this range is a lot wider and its..

    Hand 0: 61.320% 58.87% 02.45% 3266000892 135933936.00 { AKo }
    Hand 1: 38.680% 36.23% 02.45% 2009996196 135933936.00 { 22+, A6s+, K8s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
    Edited By: Cre8ive Apr 1st, 2011 at 07:16 AM
      
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 7:41am) in reply to Cre8ive

    "only 58/42" ?? seems like a pretty F sweet edge. I don't think that stove really means much though because that's clearly not his range.
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 8:24am) in reply to Vekked

    huni=a10s, ajo+ and 99+
    Edited By: siola Apr 1st, 2011 at 08:27 AM
    Reason: maybe 77+
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 10:28pm) in reply to siola

    yea i dont see any reason why huni can't have 22 - 88 here, would be a good spot to shove those hands...i see that huni didn't enter the time bank though, so it makes me think his range is a little stronger? still wouldn't fold 10s or AK though
     
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 11:40pm) in reply to JDsmith9

    mostly not timebanking makes his range weaker, on avg, imo...

    Snap AK JJ+

    The rest gets closer imo.
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    Apr 1st, 2011 (4/1/2011 11:47pm) in reply to iPlayTourneys

     
    Originally Posted by iPlayTourneys View Post

    mostly not timebanking makes his range weaker, on avg, imo...

    Snap AK JJ+

    The rest gets closer imo.

    i agree
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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 12:06am) in reply to Spraggs

    yea i can dig that point as a general statement, given the nature of todays dynamic...as soon as someone opens you already know the 3 bet is coming from pwnasaurus as cr8ive stated in the OP, thats why you see the jymaster11s and the moorman1s cold 4 betting almost instantly...my calling range of 10s plus and AK doesnt really change
     
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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 12:20am) in reply to siola

     
    Originally Posted by siola View Post

    huni=a10s, ajo+ and 99+

    Is this an April Fool's joke? Huni is like 100 times more likely to show up with 88 than AJo.
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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 8:16pm) in reply to Pghfan987

    Agreed with AK 10s+
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 1:35am) in reply to The Lab Rat

    So none of you guys ever think about passing on a smaller edge with so many chips deep in a big tournament here? With only 2bbs committed and 61 behind? I'm just curious if maybe I should incorporate these thoughts into my logic at some point in life lol.
      
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 4:33pm) in reply to Cre8ive

    yeah this is a realllllly easy call vs huni. and agree with said range of tt+ ak. sorry he had kk or w/e
     
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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 9:31am) in reply to arsenal46

    88+ because I think he induces 99+....prop wouldn't fold AJ much
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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 10:27am) in reply to Jymaster0011

    really easy call vs him
     
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    Apr 5th, 2011 (4/5/2011 7:31am) in reply to MarleyGroup

    tt fold aqo fold. better googgo. gotta worry about pwnasaur too ya? cant call huni as light bc we we lose lots of chips on avg when pwn has it. huni is insane. no, no one folds ak here. but i dont think its that bad just dont tell anyone if ya did.
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 5:59am) in reply to weavel

    wow u really folded ace king here to huni?
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 9:23am) in reply to The Lab Rat

    No, I snap called. Results are irrelevant. Just wondering if people think calling there is correct, or if there is any merit to possibly folding AK when you have plenty of chips in a spot like this, etc...
      
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