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  1. hrk hrk is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2008 (2/4/2008 2:54am)

    Couple hands here, both marginal spots that I think myself and many others could play a bit more optimally. The focus of my question is on the calling ranges.
    Hand 1:

    Stage #1078407922 Tourney ID 1950039 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No
    Limit $1200 - 2008-02-03 22:59:27.014 (ET) [ 2008-02-03 22:59:27 ]
    Table: 21 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
    Seat 8 - KRAZYLOU ($15486 in chips)
    Seat 9 - CONVIVIALGUY ($16951 in chips)
    Seat 1 - HERIKE ($15537 in chips)
    Seat 2 - DOLAVOIE ($14865 in chips)
    Seat 3 - APESTYLES ($19895 in chips)
    Seat 4 - YEHAK ($14450 in chips)
    Seat 5 - PERSIANMIKE ($16247.50 in chips)
    Seat 6 - CARSONANCHAD ($9086 in chips)
    Seat 7 - GREYBLAKK ($12074.50 in chips)
    HERIKE - Ante $100
    DOLAVOIE - Ante $100
    APESTYLES - Ante $100
    YEHAK - Ante $100
    PERSIANMIKE - Ante $100
    CARSONANCHAD - Ante $100
    GREYBLAKK - Ante $100
    KRAZYLOU - Ante $100
    CONVIVIALGUY - Ante $100
    KRAZYLOU - Posts small blind $600
    CONVIVIALGUY - Posts big blind $1200
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERIKE [Ah Kh]
    HERIKE - All-In(Raise) $15437 to $15437
    DOLAVOIE - Folds
    APESTYLES - All-In(Raise) $19795 to $19795
    YEHAK - Folds
    PERSIANMIKE - Folds
    CARSONANCHAD - Folds
    GREYBLAKK - Folds
    KRAZYLOU - Folds
    CONVIVIALGUY - Folds
    APESTYLES - returned ($4358) : not called
    *** FLOP *** [3c 8c 5d]
    *** TURN *** [3c 8c 5d] [8h]
    *** RIVER *** [3c 8c 5d 8h] [6c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    HERIKE - Shows [Ah Kh] (One pair, eights)
    APESTYLES - Shows [9h 9d] (Two Pair, nines and eights)
    APESTYLES Collects $33574 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot($33574)
    Board [3c 8c 5d 8h 6c]
    Seat 1: HERIKE HI:lost with One pair, eights [Ah Kh -
    B:8h,B:8c,P:Ah,P:Kh,B:6c]
    Seat 2: DOLAVOIE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 3: APESTYLES won Total ($33574) All-In HI:($33574) with Two Pair,
    nines and eights [9h 9d - P:9h,P:9d,B:8h,B:8c,B:6c]
    Seat 4: YEHAK Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 5: PERSIANMIKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: CARSONANCHAD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 7: GREYBLAKK (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 8: KRAZYLOU (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 9: CONVIVIALGUY (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

    OK 88 people left, 54 pay, and in this particular instance Ape's isolation shove was fairly standard as I had shoved 3 of the prior 6 hands. Assuming the utg m5/6 shove is from a solid tag player, what is the correct isolation shove range in Ape's spot?

    Hand 2:

    Hand #50459617-41 at Sun19K10pm-Final (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Started at 04/Feb/08 02:30:54

    lhk is at seat 0 with 56230.
    generalsizzow is at seat 3 with 98670.
    thezipper is at seat 4 with 98945.
    crf250rider04 is at seat 6 with 179035.
    Chaddyman is at seat 7 with 65505.
    classyploppy is at seat 9 with 272615.
    The button is at seat 7.

    lhk posts ante (600).
    generalsizzow posts ante (600).
    thezipper posts ante (600).
    crf250rider04 posts ante (600).
    Chaddyman posts ante (600).
    classyploppy posts ante (600).
    classyploppy posts the small blind of 3000.
    lhk posts the big blind of 6000.

    lhk: Kc Qd
    generalsizzow: -- --
    thezipper: -- --
    crf250rider04: -- --
    Chaddyman: -- --
    classyploppy: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    generalsizzow folds. thezipper folds. crf250rider04
    folds. Chaddyman folds. classyploppy goes all-in
    for 272015. lhk goes all-in for 55630. classyploppy
    is returned 216385 (uncalled).

    Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

    lhk shows Kc Qd.
    classyploppy shows 6h 9h.

    Flop (board: Js 5c 4h):

    (no action in this round)

    Turn (board: Js 5c 4h 9c):

    (no action in this round)

    River (board: Js 5c 4h 9c 6c):

    (no action in this round)

    Showdown:

    lhk has Kc Qd Js 9c 6c: king high.
    classyploppy has 6h 9h Js 9c 6c: two pair, nines and sixes.

    Hand #50459617-41 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    classyploppy wins 114860 with two pair, nines and sixes.

    This is at the FT, 6 left and I am in last place, with one other stack similar to mine and two close. I don't really like my call here, but it is very close imo, and I am very curious as to what others think. Assuming classy is shoving the top 50% of hands, what is the correct calling range?
  2. candida candida is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2008 (2/4/2008 2:57am) in reply to hrk

    Hand 2, is a snap call with your hand and quite a few weaker hands since he's shoving a huge amount of hands with you having only 10 bbs
  3. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2008 (2/4/2008 3:02am) in reply to hrk

    Neither of these were marginal spots, both were played perfectly, could not be played any better, etc. If you fold hand #2 you don't have a brain. If you find a way to fold hand #1 you don't have a brain.
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  4. candida candida is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2008 (2/4/2008 3:09am) in reply to SCTrojans

    Fwiw, in hand 1 he's asking what Ape's range should be. What do you think about like, 88/99+ AQs+? Too tight?
  5. hrk hrk is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2008 (2/4/2008 3:09am) in reply to SCTrojans

    You missed the question sctrojans, I am asking about calling ranges. In hand one, in Ape's spot, vs a solid tag, are you iso-shoving 77+/AJ+, or is it more like JJ+/AK? In hand two, are you calling 22+/jt+, or is it more like 77+/AJ+? Thanks.
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  6. Mr_BigQueso Mr_BigQueso is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2008 (2/4/2008 3:10am) in reply to SCTrojans

    this has been scott freeman, fromthe school of "tough love"
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