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Can I 4-bet here w/o shoving?

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  1. BBird40 BBird40 is offline

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    Apr 26th, 2010 (4/26/2010 9:37pm)

    <SPAN>pokerstars Game #43244531342: Tournament #266069117, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2010/04/26 20:24:39 CT [2010/04/26 21:24:39 ET]
    Table '266069117 27' 8-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: cosmosstar1 (17128 in chips)
    Seat 2: Speedy3G4 (3300 in chips)
    Seat 3: unlucky038 (12521 in chips)
    Seat 4: badatcards16 (20975 in chips)
    Seat 5: cardjacKKer (13227 in chips)
    Seat 6: erb1953 (28997 in chips)
    Seat 7: BBird40 (4308 in chips)
    Seat 8: kgimpy (12263 in chips)
    cosmosstar1: posts the ante 25
    Speedy3G4: posts the ante 25
    unlucky038: posts the ante 25
    badatcards16: posts the ante 25
    cardjacKKer: posts the ante 25
    erb1953: posts the ante 25
    BBird40: posts the ante 25
    kgimpy: posts the ante 25
    cosmosstar1: posts small blind 100
    Speedy3G4: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BBird40 [Qd Qc]
    unlucky038: folds
    badatcards16: folds
    cardjacKKer: folds
    erb1953: folds
    BBird40: raises 289 to 489
    kgimpy: raises 289 to 778
    cosmosstar1: folds
    Speedy3G4: folds
    BBird40: ???????

    Can I 4-bet here and then fold to a 5-bet? With this stack? At these stakes?

    The small tiny 3-bet just screams to me "I WANT ACTION". AA and KK is in this tiny 3-bet range, but so could AK, JJ, QQ.

    What do you guys think?    </SPAN>
  2. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Apr 26th, 2010 (4/26/2010 9:40pm) in reply to BBird40

    It also screams to me "I use the min-bet buttons rather than thinking!" I would be a lot more nervous if kgimpy made it 900 to go or something. But I'm still not folding.

    In a $4+.40 180-man, you are WAY ahead of the 3-bet range. Absolutely get it in here.
     
  3. BBird40 BBird40 is offline

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    Apr 26th, 2010 (4/26/2010 11:27pm) in reply to grapsfan

    Thanks graps
    just wondering if any of you guys see his 3-bet as wide.
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  4. JimmyMac20 JimmyMac20 is offline

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    Apr 27th, 2010 (4/27/2010 11:43am) in reply to BBird40

    No, i don't think you can 4 bet and fold.

    I don't think his range is wide here.

    Flat, and lead any flop without a K in it pretty much. You'll get the same info as popping him again preflop and save money with a very small potential to get him to lay down a better hand.
  5. pfontec pfontec is offline

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    Apr 27th, 2010 (4/27/2010 2:44pm) in reply to BBird40

    Its seems to me that your minraise one off the button is looking for action. And you got it! You've alowed your self to get in this tough spot. I like the open shove here. Your 21 BB's shove from the cutoff could get the same action and your not faced with a tough decision. With 30 BB's I think you can think more about standard raising and who to call or not to call if you get three bet. But with 21 BB's your gonna get yourself in tough spots.
    As played I would jam it in.
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