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Can I fold a boat on the river?

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  1. Haze33 Haze33 is offline

    Sacramento, CA
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    May 17th, 2010 (5/17/2010 7:18pm)

    As a lesson, I actually semi yelled at the screen, "did you really flop a set of 8's here?" Not trusting my instincts the hand just proceeded to get worse for me. I was very suspicous of the overcall on the turn and should have went in to c/f mode or exercised better pot control given my suspicions that 77 88 could easily be in his calling range pre, even more logical I should have just mucked pre. Any feedback is welcome. Thanks

    Full Tilt Poker Game #20885031909: MiniFTOPS Event #28 (147686197), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:32:52 ET - 2010/05/16
    Seat 1: DONKEYTILT1 (10,540)
    Seat 2: Siafu831 (7,190)
    Seat 3: Illbill87 (2,410)
    Seat 4: hinni2323 (12,545)
    Seat 5: ru_smokin (4,765), is sitting out
    Seat 6: TMHawk11 (4,705)
    hinni2323 posts the small blind of 20
    ru_smokin posts the big blind of 40
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Siafu831 [4c As]
    TMHawk11 folds
    DONKEYTILT1 calls 40
    Siafu831 raises to 120
    Illbill87 folds
    hinni2323 folds
    ru_smokin folds
    DONKEYTILT1 calls 80
    *** FLOP *** [7s 4h 8h]
    DONKEYTILT1 has 15 seconds left to act
    DONKEYTILT1 bets 240
    Siafu831 raises to 520
    DONKEYTILT1 calls 280
    *** TURN *** [7s 4h 8h] [4d]
    DONKEYTILT1 checks
    Siafu831 has 15 seconds left to act
    Siafu831 bets 1,440
    DONKEYTILT1 has 15 seconds left to act
    DONKEYTILT1 calls 1,440
    *** RIVER *** [7s 4h 8h 4d] [Ac]
    DONKEYTILT1 bets 560
    Siafu831 has 15 seconds left to act
    Siafu831 raises to 2,080
    DONKEYTILT1 raises to 4,080
    Siafu831 raises to 5,110, and is all in
    DONKEYTILT1 calls 1,030
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Siafu831 shows [4c As] a full house, Fours full of Aces
    DONKEYTILT1 shows [8s 8d] a full house, Eights full of Fours
    DONKEYTILT1 wins the pot (14,440) with a full house, Eights full of Fours
    ru_smokin has reconnected
    ru_smokin has returned
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 14,440 | Rake 0
    Board: [7s 4h 8h 4d Ac]
    Seat 1: DONKEYTILT1 showed [8s 8d] and won (14,440) with a full house, Eights full of Fours
    Seat 2: Siafu831 showed [4c As] and lost with a full house, Fours full of Aces
    Seat 3: Illbill87 (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: hinni2323 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: ru_smokin (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: TMHawk11 didn't bet (folded)
  2. sanzard sanzard is offline

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    May 17th, 2010 (5/17/2010 7:20pm) in reply to Haze33

    Fold pre please
     
  3. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    May 17th, 2010 (5/17/2010 7:27pm) in reply to sanzard

    u got owed c you didnt fold pre
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  4. MakeMeMaster MakeMeMaster is offline

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    May 17th, 2010 (5/17/2010 7:46pm) in reply to Haze33

    A4 well played... seriously fold pre, fold flop... As played folding the river in this tournament would be pretty damn horrible.
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  5. Ace10Suted Ace10Suted is offline

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    May 17th, 2010 (5/17/2010 7:46pm) in reply to Haze33

    I think the lead/call on the flop you could give him hearts or 78, or possibly the flopped straight trying to be tricky. Of course the two top sets are in there as you said. Once the board pairs and he still flats the turn bet, I think you should try to get out cheap now with the set of 4s. Even when you make the boat on the river, i don't see any reason to get out of line like you did. The only thing that's going to call your river raise is 45 or 46, since those are the only hands with a 4 he might be playing. I suppose he might get dumb with A8 there, but those are so few, and weird, hands, you might as well pick off his river bet with a call if it's a bluff, otherwise, you're just behind and you don't stick anything else in the pot. It'll be half your stack, but that early, that's pretty recoverable. Basically you got way out of line with a pretty terrible hand and you happened to make an awful runner runner to get you in more trouble. Fold A4os in first blind levels all day.
  6. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    May 17th, 2010 (5/17/2010 7:49pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    you need to be improving your leaks in your game rather than figuring out if you should fold boats.

    just friendly advice..because everything bout this hand should make an alarm go off in your head
     
  7. killingbird killingbird is offline

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    May 17th, 2010 (5/17/2010 9:17pm) in reply to Appst08

    yeah, fold pre. but as played you have to call.
     
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