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shipped this last week. gogogogogogogo
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on the last hand yes. but on the 24 hand i think i get a fold there a majority of time. i mean, what is he putting me on there, esp. on the river when the ace hits and i lead out for 200k/ 1/2 the pot and more than half his remaining stack?
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you tell me, what was he supposed to put u on, you played that hand extremely weird and its hard to put u on any hand that makes much sense at all.
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what was so weird about it? i called his 2.5 pre bet in BB and led out every street for around 1/2 the pot? not arguing just trying to get an understanding.
pokerstars Game #45913225688: Tournament #317010633, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXI (7000/14000) - 2010/06/23 19:38:12 MT [2010/06/23 21:38:12 ET]
Table '317010633 29' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: DooBiesss (296847 in chips)
Seat 2: ZuDwa-Dwa (706398 in chips)
Seat 3: Xx_ooowee_xX (665803 in chips)
Seat 4: jessica0022 (171526 in chips)
Seat 5: DonChalant (981682 in chips)
Seat 6: mixit1123 (362222 in chips)
Seat 7: rsalfeej (1230119 in chips)
Seat 8: molsky44 (382346 in chips)
Seat 9: Herretoilet (741057 in chips)
DooBiesss: posts the ante 1750
ZuDwa-Dwa: posts the ante 1750
Xx_ooowee_xX: posts the ante 1750
jessica0022: posts the ante 1750
DonChalant: posts the ante 1750
mixit1123: posts the ante 1750
rsalfeej: posts the ante 1750
molsky44: posts the ante 1750
Herretoilet: posts the ante 1750
jessica0022: posts small blind 7000
DonChalant: posts big blind 14000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DonChalant [4d 2s]
mixit1123: folds
rsalfeej: folds
molsky44: folds
Herretoilet: folds
DooBiesss: folds
ZuDwa-Dwa: folds
Xx_ooowee_xX: raises 22575 to 36575
jessica0022: folds
DonChalant: calls 22575
*** FLOP *** [2c Kc Qh]
DonChalant: bets 42000
okse54 [observer] said, "gl don"
Xx_ooowee_xX: calls 42000
*** TURN *** [2c Kc Qh] [3d]
DonChalant: bets 100000
DonChalant said, "ty"
Xx_ooowee_xX: calls 100000
*** RIVER *** [2c Kc Qh 3d] [As]
DonChalant: bets 200000
Xx_ooowee_xX: calls 200000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DonChalant: shows [4d 2s] (a pair of Deuces)
Xx_ooowee_xX: shows [Kd Jc] (a pair of Kings)
Xx_ooowee_xX collected 779900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 779900 | Rake 0
Board [2c Kc Qh 3d As]
Seat 1: DooBiesss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ZuDwa-Dwa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Xx_ooowee_xX (button) showed [Kd Jc] and won (779900) with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: jessica0022 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: DonChalant (big blind) showed [4d 2s] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 6: mixit1123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rsalfeej folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: molsky44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Herretoilet folded before Flop (didn't bet) -
First PF, it's a mistake to call with 2-4 it's not a good enough hand to defend even to a small bet. On the flop this is a bad lead because it's a pretty wet flop the K and Q are scare cards plus there are possible straight draws and flush draws that all hit his range and he's not folding. You should check fold that always. The turn if you are repping something or trying to push him off a draw isn't a bad bet but for the reasons above I check fold. The river again hits a lot of the hands he's calling the flop and turn with, JT got there the nut flush just made top pair, and he's probably not folding a K either since it's hard to give you credit for the ace.
What was the point of betting? Was if for value? Was it a bluff? What were you putting him on? -
fps imo^^^
Edited By: ShipThisPLZ Jun 24th, 2010 at 03:19 AM
pretty sure ur just making the move to make the move and have no reason of doing it. -
Ax clubs
Edited By: HurryHarry Jun 24th, 2010 at 03:31 AM
J10
AK
AQ
Aj
A10
A2
any set
KQ
but also, on the losing end of things
obv. 24
complete air
missed club draw -
and being that u have air, crap, and missed draws here possibly having TJ doesnt make this a fold on the river
Originally Posted by HurryHarry
Ax clubs - do u rly bet 200k on river with Ax here
J10 - only possible hand you might be able to have i guess, still a weird line.
AK - why didnt u raise pre, and why would u donk bet flop, makes no sense
AQ - why didnt u raise pre, no way u fire turn also
Aj - why didnt u raise pre, still doubt u play AJ this way
A10 - same as AJ
any set - why didnt u raise pre, why would u donk bet flop
KQ - why didnt u raise pre, why would u dont bet flop
but also,
obv. 24
complete air
missed club draw -
im not always going to reraise pre with AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ in BB to hide the strength of my hand. same thing with 22, KK, or QQ. why reveal strength when i dont always need to? also, as you point out that you do not believe i would play these hand this way makes playing these hands this way 100% profitable. except when i have air or 24. lol.
donk bet flop? so, i should reveal my hands pre but not bet them when i hit flop? you kinda contridict yourself.
why would i not fire turn with Aq? he didnt reraise my flop bet. Aq could be good.
100% of the time i bet 200k with Ax clubs on river. apparantly my line here is good when i have something cuz looks like i will get 0 respect. -
Honestly, I think you are thinking way too deeply about a hand in a $8 tournament. In no way is that a slight against you, just against the other players. From my experience most players at that stake are mainly thinking about your own hand and really just not on the thinking level of the hand analysis you put into it.
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Actually he had you on Qc 10c as I was sitting next to him. This play may have worked against a non thinking player but your deep and Xx_ooowee_xX is a solid micro MTT'er. Your line was strange and he knew you defended alot in the blinds. You were leading out almost every dry board when you were flatting in the blinds. You just got picked off. Fold pre...........nice run though
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he def. palyed it well and picked me off. obv. i thought i could get a fold esp. when the Ace rivered. hopefully next time i get called and will have it. where did your friend finish?
i knew he either had the K or at the Q. i didnt think his kicker for either possible pair was too good. not being a dick but the K wasnt top pair at end of hand. Ace would have been. i would say most of the time i show up with the goods here, esp. with the rivered Ace. i just got a bit out too cocky and figured i could make him fold. nice call.Originally Posted by 33mikemcg
Fold pre. Not a time to be making these kinds of moves in an $8 tournament were you have a bunch of calling stations. You seem more concerned abut what he put you on and not what you put him on. He is never laying down top pair.
im not sure how i feel about what is more important though, what i put him on or what he puts me on? obv. i need to range his hand. but i think to an extent isnt it more important to try and figure what he is ranging my hand and play accordingly? i guess him putting me on Q10 clubs makes good sense here, but i think that may be one of those instances where he is ranging me on a hand that 1. makes my line make sense (obv.) combined with 2. gives him a winning hand.
i overplayed it i guess and got picked off but he took so long to call that he definately had doubt in his mind about my hand. i wonder if he was close to a fold?
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