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Can someone explain why I was not given a chance to reraise here??

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  1. Lightning007 Lightning007 is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2006 (3/31/2006 5:34pm)

    Ok, I was in a SnG on party a few minutes ago. I raised from UTG and a short short stack with not many more chips than the raise pushed. The guy next to him called and I was only given the option to call and not to reraise. I wouldve reraised this guy as you will see what he held onto after a UTG raise and a push from a short stack. Here is the HH, can someone please explain.

    ***** Hand History for Game 3860783559 *****
    60/120 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 21564309) - Fri Mar 31 18:04:30 EST 2006
    Table Table 95489 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
    Total number of players : 7
    Seat 1: hashGG (8951)
    Seat 2: Nockie (1850)
    Seat 3: csausa7651 (1470)
    Seat 4: CONCATNE22 (2115)
    Seat 6: FlashNorbo (2515)
    Seat 7: Darmesh (2860)
    Seat 10: CTrane (239)
    CTrane posts small blind (30)
    hashGG posts big blind (60)
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Nockie [ Ad, As ]
    Nockie raises (180) to 180
    csausa7651 folds.
    CONCATNE22 folds.
    FlashNorbo folds.
    Darmesh folds.
    CTrane raises (209) to 239
    CTrane is all-In.
    hashGG calls (179)
    Nockie calls (59)
    Creating Main Pot with $717 with CTrane
    ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, Qh, 5s ]
    hashGG bets (225)
    Nockie raises (1611) to 1611
    Nockie is all-In.
    hashGG calls (1386)
    ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
    ** Dealing River ** : [ Kd ]
    Creating Side Pot 1 with $3222 with Nockie
    ** Summary **
    Main Pot: 717 | Side Pot 1: 3222 |
    Board: [ 8c Qh 5s 7c Kd ]

    hashGG balance 11040, bet 1850, collected 3939, net +2089 [ 8d Qd ] [ two pairs, queens and eights -- Kd,Qd,Qh,8d,8c ]
    Nockie balance 0, lost 1850 [ Ad As ] [ a pair of aces -- Ad,As,Kd,Qh,8c ]
    csausa7651 balance 1470, didn't bet (folded)
    CONCATNE22 balance 2115, didn't bet (folded)
    FlashNorbo balance 2515, didn't bet (folded)
    Darmesh balance 2860, didn't bet (folded)
    CTrane balance 0, lost 239 [ Ah Kc ] [ a pair of kings -- Ah,Kc,Kd,Qh,8c ]
  2. Octan3_ipwnsippin Octan3_ipwnsippin is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2006 (3/31/2006 5:38pm) in reply to Lightning007

    you raised 180 chips right

    he only could make it 59 on top of that

    he would need 180 chips or more on top of your initial raise for you to be able to reraise
  3. Lightning007 Lightning007 is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2006 (3/31/2006 5:53pm) in reply to Octan3_ipwnsippin

    Thats what I figured but I thought since there was still someone in the hand i could reraise him. Who knows, if i reraised all in he probally wouldve called, after all the Q6 was sooted. I shoudlve just limped and reraise like i planned but i figured ill just play it straight up and sure enough i get donked anyway.
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  4. Largadon Largadon is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2006 (3/31/2006 6:17pm) in reply to Octan3_ipwnsippin

    I'm pretty sure that the rule states that the guy would have to raise more than half of your initial bet (90 chips in this situation) in order for you to be able to reraise.
  5. jhill3535 jhill3535 is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2006 (3/31/2006 6:42pm) in reply to Largadon

    when i raise and expect someone to go allin, i like to bet just less than half their chips, that way when the action gets back to me I have a chance to reraise. It is always worth thinking about the amount you should raise, and this situation in particular. The guys call was not all that bad given that it basically closed the action, him knowing that you couldn't reraise and he got to see a flop to beat your big hand with no real danger.
     
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    Mar 31st, 2006 (3/31/2006 8:29pm) in reply to jhill3535

    That is a good point that i didnt think of. I didnt realize i wouldnt have a chance to reraise or I would have done what you are saying. Normally i wouldve limped in that situation and reraised and that wouldve won me the pot for sure. Oh well, lesson learned.
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  7. jhill3535 jhill3535 is offline

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    Mar 31st, 2006 (3/31/2006 8:32pm) in reply to Lightning007

    unless the guy doesn't push, he may just call to see the flop and then push or fold. I like the raise, it makes him commit his chips then and there. he either folds or reraises. The other guy may call if he folds, then you have to decide how to play it from there.
     
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