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OK curious as to what people think as i have been playing a little challenge with a mate, multitable micro to low limit games $6 and under. We have to play 50 $2 9 player SNGs, 50 $3 KO 90 players and so on. We are both finding it harder than we thought due to some pretty amazingky shit calls from different players.
Example your holding AK raise pre and flop comes AKQ rainbow with one caller, only minutes into a 90 player KO sng, u bet 3/4 pot they shove u call and they show J9 off only to hit a T.
Super turbos people calling your all in with 76 and hitting str8s vs your KK or QQ.
Now i know this is going to happen and happen alot online, but my Q is do people agree/think they it happens so much more in the lower limits that it makes them not worth playing?
I mean this stuff can stop people moving up the limits since the first time they play online they get screwed over with AA and KK and all of a sudden they hear about the poker stars rig {i dont belive} and dont bother playing online at all, therefore given us less donks to beat up on.
Curious guys and girls what people thoughts are... -
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Joined: May 09May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 9:46am) in reply to Benimino
no way you can profit from these, these are all i play and im constantly getting sucked out 3 mins ago
Full Tilt Poker Game #12461624675: $2 + $0.25 Tournament (92806966), Table 5 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:41:24 ET - 2009/05/27
Seat 1: MELISA24NL (5,385)
Seat 2: urgaaay (2,140)
Seat 4: akalunk (14,700)
Seat 5: loloquoi (9,730)
Seat 6: 01 (5,345)
MELISA24NL antes 25
urgaaay antes 25
akalunk antes 25
loloquoi antes 25
01 antes 25
loloquoi posts the small blind of 150
01 posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 01 [Jc Jh]
MELISA24NL folds
urgaaay folds
akalunk folds
loloquoi raises to 600
01 raises to 1,925
loloquoi calls 1,325
*** FLOP *** [7s Td Js]
loloquoi checks
01 bets 3,395, and is all in
loloquoi has 15 seconds left to act
loloquoi has requested TIME
loloquoi calls 3,395
01 shows [Jc Jh]
loloquoi shows [8s Ac]
*** TURN *** [7s Td Js] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [7s Td Js Qh] [Kh]
01 shows three of a kind, Jacks
loloquoi shows a straight, Ace high
loloquoi wins the pot (10,765) with a straight, Ace high
01 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10,765 | Rake 0
Board: [7s Td Js Qh Kh]
Seat 1: MELISA24NL folded before the Flop
Seat 2: urgaaay folded before the Flop
Seat 4: akalunk (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: loloquoi (small blind) showed [8s Ac] and won (10,765) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 6: 01 (big blind) showed [Jc Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks -
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Yes, you can. 'Scope me and you'll see. However, be prepared for disgusting bad beats.
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Can U profit at the Low Limits? Yes
Is it hard? No
Complaining about terrible calls? LOL -
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Enjoy getting it in good, people play terrible, profit. ez game.
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Head, meet wall.
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Joined: Jun 06May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:00am) in reply to elendil
no complaining at all as i know they are a part of poker and a bigger part of smaller stuff just wanted to know what ppl thought that if they are too big a part in the lower limits to be worth playing...
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Joined: Jun 06May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:01am) in reply to tomdelvinco
wall know head very well lol
Originally Posted by tomdelvinco
Head, meet wall.
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Joined: Jan 06May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:03am) in reply to tomdelvinco
You can profit you just have to be realistic about it in the long term. Your not gonna make huge bank off of them. for example. Say you win at a 15-20% rate - at a $2 game thats about$.30 so you play 50 of them and you make $15. It doesnt seem like much, but from the roi standpoint your doing well. If you have a rouh stretch you might only be up a couple bucks...
You can profit but you will need a ton of volume to make it feel like your winning actual money instead of pennies... -
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Joined: Dec 06May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:05am) in reply to Benimino
They are very very profitable.
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Joined: Jun 06May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:07am) in reply to mindtrip954
$6+ lowest to go in ppls opinions?
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I can understand why you're frustrated, believe me I've been there. But by your logic, playing the $1k Monday would be easier than playing the Daily Dollar because people would be less likely to call you with worse hands. Think about it. It doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted by Benimino
no complaining at all as i know they are a part of poker and a bigger part of smaller stuff just wanted to know what ppl thought that if they are too big a part in the lower limits to be worth playing...
You have to think long-term, thats all. -
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Joined: Dec 08May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:13am) in reply to Glo4m
sng's yes, tournaments no.
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Joined: Jun 06May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:14am) in reply to tomdelvinco
no u have missed it
i am not comparing $1k to $1
i am comparing $2 to say $22 buy in
i assume the majority of ppl dont mind blowing $2 but more people would be more carefull with $20 and would be putting money in to play not to jerk around shoving here there and everywhere -
You want them to play like jerks.
Originally Posted by Benimino
no u have missed it
i am not comparing $1k to $1
i am comparing $2 to say $22 buy in
i assume the majority of ppl dont mind blowing $2 but more people would be more carefull with $20 and would be putting money in to play not to jerk around shoving here there and everywhere
You want them to shove here there and everywhere.
You want them to have no clue what they're doing.
The looser and crazier players are, the more profitable they are to play against. -
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Joined: Jul 08May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:20am) in reply to Benimino
wrongOriginally Posted by Benimino
no u have missed it
i am not comparing $1k to $1
i am comparing $2 to say $22 buy in
i assume the majority of ppl dont mind blowing $2 but more people would be more carefull with $20 and would be putting money in to play not to jerk around shoving here there and everywhere -
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Joined: Jan 07May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:26am) in reply to Benimino
I have a hard time with the concept that some people argue with regards to poker skills. In ever game I can think of the person with superior skills does better in the long run. If you have a bet with a golfer and he shanks one off a tree and in the hole you don't throw your clubs and say you can't beat him long term. You double or nothing the next game. Poker is no different. Find these bad players and keep playing them. Skill wins in the long run.
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Joined: Aug 07May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:31am) in reply to dealace1
dont know about you but i love it when they call with 67 and i have kk...
50 games is not a big enough sample you should play 1k-5k games at each level...
the lower the buy-in th easy the game is, maybe a 50cent are harder then the 3s, but all games <$5 buy in are extremely profitable and noticeably eaiser then games >$5 buy in..... -
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Joined: Aug 07May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:33am) in reply to stayhighlowe
and to answer your question..
yes people do play a lot worse at the lower levels, thats what makes them so profitable,you just have to adjust your game...
tips: only open raise if you willin to play for your whole stack early, once blinds get up there just open shove.. -
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i swear no way to profit.
pokerstars Game #28677447640: Tournament #165723670, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level V (75/150) - 2009/05/27 10:39:41 ET
Table '165723670 96' 4-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: RobertWilson (3080 in chips)
Seat 2: sjcroydon (2920 in chips)
sjcroydon: posts small blind 75
RobertWilson: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RobertWilson [Td Qh]
sjcroydon: calls 75
RobertWilson: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts 7c 8s]
RobertWilson: checks
sjcroydon: bets 300
RobertWilson: raises 2630 to 2930 and is all-in
sjcroydon: calls 2470 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (160) returned to RobertWilson
*** TURN *** [Ts 7c 8s] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 7c 8s 7h] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RobertWilson: shows [Td Qh] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
sjcroydon: shows [Jc 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Jacks)
sjcroydon collected 5840 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5840 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 7c 8s 7h Jd]
Seat 1: RobertWilson (big blind) showed [Td Qh] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 2: sjcroydon (button) (small blind) showed [Jc 7s] and won (5840) with a full house, Sevens full of Jacks -
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Joined: Feb 09May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:51am) in reply to ImTheCrew
Bad example...this is just a bad beat.Originally Posted by ImTheCrew
i swear no way to profit.
pokerstars Game #28677447640: Tournament #165723670, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level V (75/150) - 2009/05/27 10:39:41 ET
Table '165723670 96' 4-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: RobertWilson (3080 in chips)
Seat 2: sjcroydon (2920 in chips)
sjcroydon: posts small blind 75
RobertWilson: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RobertWilson [Td Qh]
sjcroydon: calls 75
RobertWilson: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts 7c 8s]
RobertWilson: checks
sjcroydon: bets 300
RobertWilson: raises 2630 to 2930 and is all-in
sjcroydon: calls 2470 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (160) returned to RobertWilson
*** TURN *** [Ts 7c 8s] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 7c 8s 7h] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RobertWilson: shows [Td Qh] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
sjcroydon: shows [Jc 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Jacks)
sjcroydon collected 5840 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5840 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 7c 8s 7h Jd]
Seat 1: RobertWilson (big blind) showed [Td Qh] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 2: sjcroydon (button) (small blind) showed [Jc 7s] and won (5840) with a full house, Sevens full of Jacks -
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pokerstars Game #28677598721: Tournament #165723669, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/05/27 10:45:25 ET
Table '165723669 86' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: RobertWilson (2785 in chips)
Seat 2: lazar10 (1300 in chips)
Seat 3: noldor15 (4615 in chips)
Seat 4: Eddy63 (1050 in chips)
Seat 5: @Serg144 (1040 in chips)
Seat 6: Dr.Mik (2600 in chips)
noldor15: posts small blind 25
Eddy63: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RobertWilson [8s 8h]
@Serg144: calls 50
Dr.Mik: calls 50
RobertWilson: raises 100 to 150
lazar10: folds
noldor15: calls 125
Eddy63: folds
@Serg144: calls 100
Dr.Mik: folds
*** FLOP *** [Td 5h 7h]
noldor15: checks
@Serg144: checks
RobertWilson: bets 250
noldor15: folds
@Serg144: calls 250
*** TURN *** [Td 5h 7h] [3s]
@Serg144: bets 50
RobertWilson: raises 1150 to 1200
@Serg144: calls 590 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (560) returned to RobertWilson
*** RIVER *** [Td 5h 7h 3s] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
@Serg144: shows [4c 6d] (a straight, Three to Seven)
RobertWilson: shows [8s 8h] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
@Serg144 collected 2330 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2330 | Rake 0
Board [Td 5h 7h 3s 3d]
Seat 1: RobertWilson showed [8s 8h] and lost with two pair, Eights and Threes
Seat 2: lazar10 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: noldor15 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Eddy63 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: @Serg144 showed [4c 6d] and won (2330) with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 6: Dr.Mik folded before Flop -
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Joined: Feb 08May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 10:58am) in reply to ronkend
^^^^This. Rinse, repeat, move up in stakes.Originally Posted by ronkend
Enjoy getting it in good, people play terrible, profit. ez game.
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Joined: Nov 06May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 11:28am) in reply to Benimino
Originally Posted by Benimino
Example your holding AK raise pre and flop comes AKQ rainbow with one caller, only minutes into a 90 player KO sng, u bet 3/4 pot they shove u call and they show J9 off only to hit a T.
Super turbos people calling your all in with 76 and hitting str8s vs your KK or QQ.DOES NOT COMPUTE - DOES NOT COMPUTEOriginally Posted by Benimino
I mean this stuff can stop people moving up the limits since the first time they play online they get screwed over with AA and KK and all of a sudden they hear about the poker stars rig {i dont belive} and dont bother playing online at all, therefore given us less donks to beat up on.
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Joined: Dec 08May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 11:40am) in reply to time4badbeat
I have been playing micro for years, and still suck for the most part. 90% of the time when my chips go in, I got the best hand, only to lose. Oh well, I keep playing for the entertainment, and the thrill of final tabling a large MTT, which I have done only twice.
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Yes, yes, and more yes.
Does Boku need to run another challenge to get you guys to realize this is absolutely true?
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Yes they are profitable. If people played this bad at the levels i play at i would rich as fuck
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Yes, since your profit is directly correlated to the number of errors your opponents make, of course the micro limits are the most profitable (per dollar).
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