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Can you call here *setmine* or is this clear fold?

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  1. Brandon6176 Brandon6176 is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2010 (9/25/2010 9:50pm)

    What I'm asking here, can you call the initial raiser or with this action is it a clear fold. OBV when the shove comes I'm folding here.

    pokerstars Game #50163790624: Tournament #332010386, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/09/25 16:42:55 ET
    Table '332010386 59' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Maci24 (18894 in chips)
    Seat 2: DUbistICH (14994 in chips)
    Seat 3: imbafold (13295 in chips)
    Seat 4: drdanman (29437 in chips)
    Seat 5: baltika39 (17730 in chips)
    Seat 6: Brandon6176 (25095 in chips)
    Seat 7: norteruf (13852 in chips)
    Seat 8: samwwww (9159 in chips)
    Seat 9: Donk Lover91 (76301 in chips)
    Maci24: posts the ante 50
    DUbistICH: posts the ante 50
    imbafold: posts the ante 50
    drdanman: posts the ante 50
    baltika39: posts the ante 50
    Brandon6176: posts the ante 50
    norteruf: posts the ante 50
    samwwww: posts the ante 50
    Donk Lover91: posts the ante 50
    Maci24: posts small blind 200
    DUbistICH: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Brandon6176 [6d 6c]
    imbafold: raises 599 to 999
    drdanman: folds
    baltika39: calls 999
    Brandon6176: calls 999
    norteruf: folds
    samwwww: calls 999
    Donk Lover91: folds
    Maci24: raises 17845 to 18844 and is all-in
    DUbistICH: folds
    imbafold: folds
    baltika39: folds
    Brandon6176: folds
    samwwww: calls 8110 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (9735) returned to Maci24
    *** FLOP *** [9c 9h Jh]
    *** TURN *** [9c 9h Jh] [2c]
    *** RIVER *** [9c 9h Jh 2c] [7d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Maci24: shows [Ah Qh] (a pair of Nines)
    samwwww: shows [Ac 5d] (a pair of Nines - lower kicker)
    Maci24 collected 22065 from pot
    samwwww finished the tournament in 302nd place
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 22065 | Rake 0
    Board [9c 9h Jh 2c 7d]
    Seat 1: Maci24 (small blind) showed [Ah Qh] and won (22065) with a pair of Nines
    Seat 2: DUbistICH (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: imbafold folded before Flop
    Seat 4: drdanman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: baltika39 folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Brandon6176 folded before Flop
    Seat 7: norteruf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: samwwww showed [Ac 5d] and lost with a pair of Nines
    Seat 9: Donk Lover91 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Edited By: Brandon6176 Sep 25th, 2010 at 10:00 PM
    Reason: vague question
  2. evzyy evzyy is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2010 (9/25/2010 9:54pm) in reply to Brandon6176

    please
  3. Brandon6176 Brandon6176 is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2010 (9/25/2010 9:57pm) in reply to evzyy

    ok let me restate this. Can you call preflop the initial raiser.
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  4. MarleyGroup MarleyGroup is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2010 (9/25/2010 10:08pm) in reply to Brandon6176

    meh sure
    Edited By: MarleyGroup Sep 25th, 2010 at 10:08 PM
     
  5. aad aad is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2010 (9/25/2010 11:18pm) in reply to MarleyGroup

    I am a big fan of setmining. All of my biggest scores are the result from setmining small pairs. Having said that, in this particular hand I fold all day. With hindsight you had the best and even the winning hand but don't get too results oriented, normally you are up against overcards in the best situation and against one or eben two overpairs in the worst and you really don't have the odds to call this. I guess in situations where I am really short or waaaayyyy out of the money I might gamble but that's not the case here, wait for a better spot.
    Edited By: aad Sep 25th, 2010 at 11:18 PM
  6. Jmill88 Jmill88 is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2010 (9/26/2010 12:12am) in reply to aad

    I thought I heard somewhere that it isn't profitable to call more than 7% of your stack to setmine. Not sure if this is correct, but this is what I go by.
  7. MarleyGroup MarleyGroup is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2010 (9/26/2010 12:57am) in reply to Jmill88

    buncha nits itt, the flat is fine after someone else flats as well
     
  8. Autolobotomist Autolobotomist is offline playing air is my style? so what

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    Sep 26th, 2010 (9/26/2010 1:45am) in reply to MarleyGroup

    People try to setmine way too shallow.

    With the under the gun raiser I think you can flat if if your effective stacks are like 20x the call and IF the raiser is mostly raising stackoff type hands. He has 12x the raise amount for you to win the 1 in 8 times you hit and he's got a hand to stack off with. That's not great.

    The second guy in the pot has only 16x the raise, and there's a good chance that that guy is thinking like you and setmining a pair as well. If he's setmining you're only stacking him if it's 22-55 and he hits as well. That's so infrequent (about 1 in 1000 hands if all pairs see all flops) that it hardly merits consideration. Overcards are likely to flop if this guy is playing pairs 77 or better that aren't reraisning hands, therefor it's unlikely to get him to stack off when you hit. Big pairs that can stack off to you are more likely to raise than to flat.

    There are 5 players to act behind you.

    I think that if I have reads that UTG is really nitty nit and almost exclusively raises pairs that will go broke to me I may call if I'm in a later position. If I have a read that the caller is trappy and might flat pairs that he can go broke with I may call here and will call in the cutoff, button or blinds. If the UTG is a nit AND the caller is trappy I call even UTG+2.

    Readless, I think this is a fold, but I stink, so who's to say?
    Edited By: Autolobotomist Sep 26th, 2010 at 01:52 AM
  9. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2010 (9/26/2010 9:32am) in reply to Autolobotomist

    anything but calling would be atrocious
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  10. quietwinner quietwinner is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2010 (9/26/2010 10:05am) in reply to Gettin Daize

    flat all day esp with other flatter. in a 10 dollar i imagine these guys get in super light, like top pair shit kicker. and tbh, depends on how many people are left, i assume a lot in a 10 dollar on stars, i might even rejam the shove and flip, depending on his image, in order to get a stack and rape the table
     
  11. BenJamin327 BenJamin327 is offline

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    Sep 27th, 2010 (9/27/2010 6:21am) in reply to Jmill88

     
    Originally Posted by Jmill88 View Post

    I thought I heard somewhere that it isn't profitable to call more than 7% of your stack to setmine. Not sure if this is correct, but this is what I go by.

    7% is good ithink, or 15:1, but its not your stack size, its the effective stack size plus money in pot
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