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Can you do anything other then call or fold here?

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  1. Wheres My Kiss Wheres My Kiss is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2012 (7/14/2012 2:42am)

    I was in an interesting spot last night in a tournament and I thought I would see what people have to say about it. Blinds were 300.600 with ante. I had 99 UTG+5 and opened to 1260, with a 12.3k starting stack. The button 3 bet to 3.5k with a 16.2k starting stack. Before I get into anything about this player, I thought this was a really good sizing cause I think that it puts me to a fold or shove decision. Anyways, I had played with this guy before in a couple micro stack cash games before and he seemed like he had a good grasp on the math behind what he was doing in different spots.

    The question that I have here is can I do anything but fold or shove in this spot, or how would you play the hand differently.

    I will post what he had if anyone is interested after some comments.
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    Jul 14th, 2012 (7/14/2012 12:07pm) in reply to Wheres My Kiss

    'UTG+5', so hijack I presume? Yeah his bet size is nice because it still gives him fold equity. I'd re-shove with 99 here because you are pretty short stacked and in late position. Would be nice to know what buy-in the tourney was? I presume 5$. something like that, and if it is a turbo or not? I wouldn't raise here because villain knows you won't raise-fold, so won't re-raise light, because you would have to raise 1/2 of your stack, which is too much of a pot commitment to fold.
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    Jul 14th, 2012 (7/14/2012 1:36pm) in reply to bazingaking

    His sizing is way too big....he's not leaving you any option but to shove or fold but neither does making it 2500. He's getting 2-1 to call your shove, don't fool yourself into thinking you have fold equity and he's 3b/f here cause he's almost never doing it.
    Obv fold/shove is your only option with 20bb...99 in the HJ though i'm shipping it
     
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    Jul 14th, 2012 (7/14/2012 4:47pm) in reply to EricWRX

    Bazingaking the buy in was 10$ 2.5k Guarantee on Merge. I ended up tanking for the better part of my time bank deciding what I thought his range was then I ended up jamming. He called off with AQs.
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    Jul 14th, 2012 (7/14/2012 7:00pm) in reply to Wheres My Kiss

    utg+7s sizing is horrible imo
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    Jul 15th, 2012 (7/15/2012 12:20am) in reply to Geraldo22

     
    Originally Posted by Geraldo22 View Post

    utg+7s sizing is horrible imo

    I wasn't really happy about it, but what do you say that?
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    Jul 16th, 2012 (7/16/2012 2:34am) in reply to Wheres My Kiss

    Jam all day over his 3bet, I would have to have some serious notes on this guy being a nit for me to fold in this spot

    btw. His 3b size is really bad, 2.4-2.8k seems about right
     
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    Jul 16th, 2012 (7/16/2012 4:42am) in reply to Bisull

    Thanks Bisull for the advice. Yeah I probably tanked too long about this decision. I do agree with you about the sizing as well, I think I am just being results oriented with his sizing due to the fact of the hand that I had. I am guessing you are saying that the sizing is bad due to the fact that he is forcing himself to get it aipf in position with a value hand?
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    Jul 16th, 2012 (7/16/2012 9:01am) in reply to Wheres My Kiss

    His sizing is bad cause he has no room to fold...just easy to play perfectly against. He folds out hands that may come over the top light and everything else he gets shoved by is going with it regardless
     
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    Jul 16th, 2012 (7/16/2012 10:05am) in reply to EricWRX

    His 3bet sizing is horrible. A 3bet to ~2,500 accomplishes the same thing and he risks a lot less. And you thought it was a good bet because it forced you to either fold or shove, so you couldn't call. But even if he made it ~2,500 like he should have, you should still never be calling. It's either shove or fold. And unless you know he's extremely tight, you can't fold.
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    Jul 16th, 2012 (7/16/2012 3:32pm) in reply to Tilted0o

    Yeah I do see what you are saying now. I too would of made it 2.4k-2.8k like someone said previously. Now that I am thinking about it though that was terrible by him. Only thing he can hope for in a jam by me is for a flip, cause not having much history with the villain would make me never shove lighter the AK, which he is getting crushed with. I would raise fold AJ and below.
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