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  1. mathclubdowny mathclubdowny is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 9:47am)

    yes probably should have shoved rather than reraise...

    Full Tilt Poker Game #12918118504: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (95963278), Table 3 - 250/500 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:48:58 ET - 2009/06/20
    Seat 1: gissyhardcore (10,922)
    Seat 2: break_evan (24,810)
    Seat 4: ACESTATE (3,445)
    Seat 6: SliQ (4,740)
    Seat 7: lxMAGICIANxl (5,943)
    Seat 8: Pessutovisky (11,490)
    Seat 9: KEVGEO6 (6,150)
    SliQ posts the small blind of 250
    lxMAGICIANxl posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gissyhardcore [Qh Qc]
    Pessutovisky raises to 1,500
    KEVGEO6 folds
    gissyhardcore has 15 seconds left to act
    gissyhardcore raises to 4,000
    break_evan raises to 24,810, and is all in
  2. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 9:50am) in reply to mathclubdowny

    Nah I don't think so, are you on the bubble?
  3. racer racer is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 9:51am) in reply to mathclubdowny

    if you fold now, you will either be blinded out, or getting whats left of your money in bad with 4 callers and drawn dead. gl
  4. Zunga Zunga is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 9:53am) in reply to racer

    Never ever fold this. You have 6K behind.

    Snap Call.... His range is pretty wide here, and I think you are ahead of about 90% of it.
  5. mathclubdowny mathclubdowny is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 9:55am) in reply to jtown1010

     
    Originally Posted by jtown1010 View Post

    Nah I don't think so, are you on the bubble?

    yeah its the bubble

    anyway... I am not laying this down but thought Fuuu im gonna hit aces or kings and go out in 8th when I am 3rd stack and could easily pick a better spot..

    but anyways....

    Full Tilt Poker Game #12918118504: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (95963278), Table 3 - 250/500 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:48:58 ET - 2009/06/20
    Seat 1: gissyhardcore (10,922)
    Seat 2: break_evan (24,810)
    Seat 4: ACESTATE (3,445)
    Seat 6: SliQ (4,740)
    Seat 7: lxMAGICIANxl (5,943)
    Seat 8: Pessutovisky (11,490)
    Seat 9: KEVGEO6 (6,150)
    SliQ posts the small blind of 250
    lxMAGICIANxl posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gissyhardcore [Qh Qc]
    Pessutovisky raises to 1,500
    KEVGEO6 folds
    gissyhardcore has 15 seconds left to act
    gissyhardcore raises to 4,000
    break_evan raises to 24,810, and is all in
    ACESTATE folds
    SliQ folds
    lxMAGICIANxl folds
    Pessutovisky has 15 seconds left to act
    Pessutovisky folds
    gissyhardcore has 15 seconds left to act
    gissyhardcore: aces?
    gissyhardcore calls 6,922, and is all in
    break_evan shows [Ah Kc]
    gissyhardcore shows [Qh Qc]
    Uncalled bet of 13,888 returned to break_evan
    *** FLOP *** [Kd 2h 5c]
    *** TURN *** [Kd 2h 5c] [7d]
    *** RIVER *** [Kd 2h 5c 7d] [Tc]
    break_evan shows a pair of Kings
    gissyhardcore shows a pair of Queens
    break_evan wins the pot (24,094) with a pair of Kings
    gissyhardcore stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 24,094 | Rake 0
    Board: [Kd 2h 5c 7d Tc]
    Seat 1: gissyhardcore showed [Qh Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
    Seat 2: break_evan showed [Ah Kc] and won (24,094) with a pair of Kings
    Seat 4: ACESTATE didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: SliQ (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: lxMAGICIANxl (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Pessutovisky folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: KEVGEO6 didn't bet (folded)
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  6. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 9:56am) in reply to mathclubdowny

    You can fold that on the bubble imo.
  7. Laois Hammer Laois Hammer is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 9:56am) in reply to Zunga

    always call.

    i made a mistake folding QQ around this blind level of the $3+r a while ago, because there was 2 all ins after a raise reraise etc. they showed me 22 and TT.. thats when i lost alot of fear in mtts and will now gamboool it up at these stages
     
  8. mathclubdowny mathclubdowny is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 10:04am) in reply to Laois Hammer

    and while we are here

    is this the correct way to go out in 8th on bubble of $24 45 man when you are 2nd biggest stack?

    hand 1

    Full Tilt Poker Game #12921310971: $24 + $2 Sit & Go (95988641), Table 2 - 300/600 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:40:55 ET - 2009/06/20
    Seat 1: atolado (3,761)
    Seat 2: CrazyAntonius (2,891)
    Seat 3: gissyhardcore (11,975)
    Seat 4: 7 2 Off Tilt (8,321)
    Seat 5: Checkov (10,650)
    Seat 6: mort2482 (3,296)
    Seat 7: ivica1961 (5,179)
    Seat 8: Sibyline (20,956)
    Seat 9: chucky500 (471)
    CrazyAntonius posts the small blind of 300
    gissyhardcore posts the big blind of 600
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gissyhardcore [4c Ah]
    Checkov folds
    mort2482 folds
    ivica1961 folds
    Sibyline folds
    chucky500 folds
    7 2 Off Tilt has reconnected
    atolado folds
    CrazyAntonius raises to 2,891, and is all in
    gissyhardcore calls 2,291
    CrazyAntonius shows [Ts 8d]
    gissyhardcore shows [4c Ah]
    7 2 Off Tilt has been disconnected
    *** FLOP *** [Kh Td Jh]
    *** TURN *** [Kh Td Jh] [4s]
    *** RIVER *** [Kh Td Jh 4s] [9d]
    CrazyAntonius shows a pair of Tens
    gissyhardcore shows a pair of Fours
    CrazyAntonius wins the pot (5,782) with a pair of Tens
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5,782 | Rake 0
    Board: [Kh Td Jh 4s 9d]
    Seat 1: atolado (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: CrazyAntonius (small blind) showed [Ts 8d] and won (5,782) with a pair of Tens
    Seat 3: gissyhardcore (big blind) showed [4c Ah] and lost with a pair of Fours
    Seat 4: 7 2 Off Tilt didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Checkov didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: mort2482 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: ivica1961 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: Sibyline didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: chucky500 didn't bet (folded)

    hand 2


    Full Tilt Poker Game #12921351126: $24 + $2 Sit & Go (95988641), Table 2 - 400/800 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:45:45 ET - 2009/06/20
    Seat 2: CrazyAntonius (5,182)
    Seat 3: gissyhardcore (9,684)
    Seat 4: 7 2 Off Tilt (7,421)
    Seat 5: Checkov (9,750)
    Seat 6: mort2482 (8,515)
    Seat 7: ivica1961 (4,279)
    Seat 8: Sibyline (19,843)
    Seat 9: chucky500 (2,826)
    CrazyAntonius posts the small blind of 400
    gissyhardcore posts the big blind of 800
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gissyhardcore [7c As]
    7 2 Off Tilt folds
    Checkov folds
    mort2482 folds
    ivica1961 folds
    Sibyline folds
    chucky500 folds
    CrazyAntonius has 15 seconds left to act
    CrazyAntonius raises to 5,182, and is all in
    gissyhardcore calls 4,382
    CrazyAntonius shows [Jc 4h]
    gissyhardcore shows [7c As]
    *** FLOP *** [8s 5s 7h]
    *** TURN *** [8s 5s 7h] [2h]
    *** RIVER *** [8s 5s 7h 2h] [6h]
    CrazyAntonius shows a straight, Eight high
    gissyhardcore shows a pair of Sevens
    CrazyAntonius wins the pot (10,364) with a straight, Eight high
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 10,364 | Rake 0
    Board: [8s 5s 7h 2h 6h]
    Seat 2: CrazyAntonius (small blind) showed [Jc 4h] and won (10,364) with a straight, Eight high
    Seat 3: gissyhardcore (big blind) showed [7c As] and lost with a pair of Sevens
    Seat 4: 7 2 Off Tilt didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Checkov didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: mort2482 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: ivica1961 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: Sibyline didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: chucky500 didn't bet (folded)

    hand 3

    Full Tilt Poker Game #12921362795: $24 + $2 Sit & Go (95988641), Table 2 - 400/800 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:47:09 ET - 2009/06/20
    Seat 2: CrazyAntonius (10,364)
    Seat 3: gissyhardcore (4,102)
    Seat 4: 7 2 Off Tilt (6,621)
    Seat 5: Checkov (9,750)
    Seat 6: mort2482 (8,515)
    Seat 7: ivica1961 (4,279)
    Seat 8: Sibyline (21,043)
    Seat 9: chucky500 (2,826)
    7 2 Off Tilt posts the small blind of 400
    Checkov posts the big blind of 800
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gissyhardcore [Ad Qd]
    mort2482 folds
    ivica1961 folds
    Sibyline has 15 seconds left to act
    Sibyline raises to 2,555
    chucky500 folds
    CrazyAntonius has 15 seconds left to act
    CrazyAntonius folds
    gissyhardcore raises to 4,102, and is all in
    7 2 Off Tilt folds
    Checkov folds
    Sibyline calls 1,547
    gissyhardcore shows [Ad Qd]
    Sibyline shows [Ks As]
    *** FLOP *** [Js Qh 8c]
    *** TURN *** [Js Qh 8c] [Td]
    Sibyline: bcncnhgc
    *** RIVER *** [Js Qh 8c Td] [9d]
    gissyhardcore shows a straight, Queen high
    Sibyline shows a straight, Ace high
    Sibyline wins the pot (9,404) with a straight, Ace high
    gissyhardcore stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 9,404 | Rake 0
    Board: [Js Qh 8c Td 9d]
    Seat 2: CrazyAntonius didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: gissyhardcore (button) showed [Ad Qd] and lost with a straight, Queen high
    Seat 4: 7 2 Off Tilt (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Checkov (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: mort2482 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: ivica1961 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: Sibyline showed [Ks As] and won (9,404) with a straight, Ace high
    Seat 9: chucky500 didn't bet (folded)

    Standard? bubble out in 8th when I probably could have folded my way to the money?
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  9. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 10:11am) in reply to mathclubdowny

    LOL every one of those hands are pretty bad, you're not supposed to try to bubble when there is a supershort stack waiting to bust first. Maybe the AQ was neccesary I didn't really read it that well, basically if someone looks like their going to bust before you/have most of their chips in the blinds you need to fold a ton of your range.

    I know people wear bubbling tournies as a red badge of courage from their "aggro bubble play" but I doubt their ROI is thanking them for it ya dig?
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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 10:15am) in reply to mathclubdowny

    holy fucking crash and burn man....yup, standard! take a breather before you fire up the next one.
  11. mathclubdowny mathclubdowny is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 10:16am) in reply to jtown1010

     
    Originally Posted by jtown1010 View Post

    LOL every one of those hands are pretty bad, you're not supposed to try to bubble when there is a supershort stack waiting to bust first. Maybe the AQ was neccesary I didn't really read it that well, basically if someone looks like their going to bust before you/have most of their chips in the blinds you need to fold a ton of your range.

    I know people wear bubbling tournies as a red badge of courage from their "aggro bubble play" but I doubt their ROI is thanking them for it ya dig?

    lol I am not trying to go out man.. how do you think i got there to the FT by playing like I trying to go out!

    yeah I thought the first one, A4 was standard, sb vs bb he'd be pushing heaps A4 is way ahead of alot of his range.

    2nd one same thing, sb vs bb, a7 I thought was ahead... he shows J4...
    so fold here would have been ok, but I thought this guys image, the hands hes doing that with (he had been stealing EVERY time)

    3rd one. standard yes.

    was just bad luck I am guessing
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  12. mathclubdowny mathclubdowny is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 10:16am) in reply to racer

     
    Originally Posted by racer View Post

    holy fucking crash and burn man....yup, standard! take a breather before you fire up the next one.

    to add insult to injury...
    Crazyantonious took it down too
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  13. racer racer is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 10:22am) in reply to mathclubdowny

     
    Originally Posted by mathclubdowny View Post

     
    Originally Posted by racer View Post

    holy fucking crash and burn man....yup, standard! take a breather before you fire up the next one.

    to add insult to injury...
    Crazyantonious took it down too

    the A,7 hand, i prolly fold, but you had a read and went with it, and Crazyantonious had the run goods obv.
  14. zander zander is online now anomaly in his crotch

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 11:07am) in reply to mathclubdowny

    first off everyone telling you you can fold on the bubble with qq with 40 percent of your chips already in should probably quit poker.

    Second off, 45 mans are not single table sngs where cashing is the most important thing. You are playing to win these, not to cash, because the payouts for top 2-3 are your goal, not 6th.

    Third off, ask yourself this honestly. Do you post any of the hands above if you win them? Or is this just a bad beat thread disguised as results-oriented advice? Losing a hand does not make your play incorrect, and it sounds like you are the sort of player who questions things based on results versus what is actually the correct play.

    I personally don't have a problem with any of the hands, especially given your read. If you have problems with them mathematically, that's one thing. But if the only problem you have with the hands is that you lost them, there's another forum for that.
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