I was just moved to the table, and said fml when i see that Cap is on my left and we are both top 4 in chips. No history and I dont know if he knows who I am. What is your play here? Given the stacks of the 3 people behind him, I have to think his rr range is super wide here. I just dont know if I want to commit this many big blinds at this point. Flat/rr/shove/fold?

Full Tilt Poker Game #9615811528: The Sunday Brawl (69539710), Table 85 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:51:57 ET - 2008/12/21

Seat 1: jason5599 (25,719)

Seat 2: Karls_Hungus (85,773)

Seat 3: takerjs (25,614)

Seat 4: CapTinBisKuiT (62,964)

Seat 5: mtlisthebest (28,123)

Seat 6: pjbro (49,877)

Seat 7: play me 8 (50,328)

Seat 8: LUVEMnLEAVUM (33,034)

Seat 9: swedenfish72 (20,063)

jason5599 antes 125

Karls_Hungus antes 125

takerjs antes 125

CapTinBisKuiT antes 125

mtlisthebest antes 125

pjbro antes 125

play me 8 antes 125

LUVEMnLEAVUM antes 125

swedenfish72 antes 125

mtlisthebest posts the small blind of 500

pjbro posts the big blind of 1,000

The button is in seat #4

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Karls_Hungus [8h 8s]

play me 8 folds

LUVEMnLEAVUM folds

swedenfish72 folds

jason5599 folds

Karls_Hungus has 15 seconds left to act

Karls_Hungus raises to 2,525

takerjs has 15 seconds left to act

takerjs folds

CapTinBisKuiT raises to 7,640

mtlisthebest folds

pjbro folds

Karls_Hungus has 15 seconds left to act

Karls_Hungus has requested TIME...........

Considering how deep we are and the fact that the players stacks behind him allow him to comfortably raise/fold to a shove, I think theres a good chance he is repopping light. The problem is, I am essentially committed if i stick in a 4 bet, which is gonna be disastrous when he does show up with a hand.

Why fold?
you're deep enough to call and see a flop...

i call his raise pre.. and raise to like 21k on the flop, and call a shove.. biskuit knows you are raising light on the bubble.. or thinks you are.

 

Originally Posted by DoubleS00ted

i call his raise pre.. and raise to like 21k on the flop, and call a shove.. biskuit knows you are raising light on the bubble.. or thinks you are.

sorry but hes never 4 bettin you light here with a hand 88 is beating... comp disagree wit this..like the r/r and fold to 4..

 

Originally Posted by pokerpoker69

I think raising to 23 on the flop is good...but fold to a shove..
such a tough spot and gross board for 88(eithe really good or really bad flop)
edit///possibly call his shove...maybe.....maybe...since its bubble time and its Captn..this where is where i hate life and dont know what to do.

lol this exactly....he plays so fckin aggro hes 3 betttin light her more often than not imo which is y i lke a 4 bet of flat c/r flop way that it was played...although hes aggresive not stupid if he shoves to ur c/r i woudl muck the 8's

 

Originally Posted by pokerpoker69

results?

I folded on the flop. I played the hand poorly imo. I was lost as to what to do......thats why I posted it.

why are you calling preflop if you are going to check fold this flop? Regardless of whether he knows your a regular or thinks your a random, this is a great spot for him to 3 bet you preflop from the button and you should be able to profitably jam here. It does suck that you're going to be shoving in about 60bbs effectively, but thats part of the reason also why he should be 3 betting you so wide here, given how deep you both are.

not really what more optimal spot ur lookin for....this is such a great spot for Captain to be 3 bettin light here that makes shovin 88 +ev...agree with my man JBT hes the truth

lol depends if u play to win or move up....dont mind an opportunity to win a 100 bb pot imo...i think becasue its such a good spot for CB to 3 bet light makes it a +ev shove with 88 even wth 60 bbs ya know? play the ranges imo

yes, nah like havin this convo, i think if he wakes up iwth 99 + be results oriented...thats such a small % of his range in this particular spot and mind u CB is a very aggresive player imo...not to mentino i think his callin range here is gnna be tighter than 99 TT ...callin range JJ+ Ak imo think the math weighs out into a +ev shove with 88 where his opening range here is imo "atc"...poker stove it

I would almost certainly 4 bet/call pre here. Folding seems like the worst option, as you have a real hand here when you're range is likely insanely wide. Anyone saying flat and then c/r this flop then fold is insane. Captin is never folding Ax on this flop once he flops a gutshot w/ likely 2 overs and FE to shove. He'd have really good equity vs. any pair except 66. I like 4 bet/calling pre because if you make it say 21k you obv have a lot of FE. He *may* fold 99/TT to you, since you could just be an unknown (but I doubt he's ever 3 bet/folding those hands). If you get it in vs. a range of say TT+, AQs+, AKo, you're like 33%. You have to call the 5 bet (even though it sucks) because pot odds would mandate it. TBH this seems like clearly the best option, since playing a pair OOP for set value alone vs. someone who's range is rather wide just isn't profitable at all.

Btw, I would just like to add that I disagree with just shoving 60 bbs. I'd rather give him the opportunity to shove with some more hands, since anything more he shoves with would only help your equity. (It's not like he's folding a better hand to a shove anyway, so may as well try and induce him to ship with a worse hand).

I make it 18,773

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