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Cash - $25NL 6 Max - Blind on Blind/2 pair

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  1. djkelly69 djkelly69 is offline

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    May 13th, 2007 (5/13/2007 8:06pm)

    Apologies as i dont have the HH, but i will try to describe the action:
    I am SB, villiain is BB. I play fairly tight, but raise a lot in LP. Villain had been fairly tight. Both full stacks.
    Folded around, i see A9o and call (obv should have raised but anyway), BB raises to 3xbb, i call.
    Flop comes A J 9 rainbow, i check, he pots it, i call.
    Turn is 2, he pots again, i raise, he shoves, i call.
    River is blank, and he flips over 22 for a turned set.

    Basically my question is do you go broke with 2 pair in a blind on blind confrontation, particularly with heavy action? My reasoning is that he is definitely making this play with top pair a large percent of the time, so i should get it in.

    Also, i have been stacking off a lot with 2 pair to a set of late, not necessarily blind on blind. Aside from any great read, is this a must at this level given peoples tendencies to overplay TP and overpairs?
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    May 15th, 2007 (5/15/2007 3:18am) in reply to djkelly69

    bump
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  3. DJ_Chaps DJ_Chaps is offline

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    May 15th, 2007 (5/15/2007 9:14am) in reply to djkelly69

    raise flop, end of hand.
  4. kissamr98 kissamr98 is offline

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    May 15th, 2007 (5/15/2007 12:57pm) in reply to djkelly69

    I disagree with raising the flop. I think this is a cooler. of course you don't know he has 2's and drawing to 2 outs. I think you played the hand perfectly. AQ, A10 or AK would play would play this way. The fact that he hit the set on the turn is just bad luck!!
  5. Ally Ally is offline

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    May 15th, 2007 (5/15/2007 2:50pm) in reply to djkelly69

    As played, this is definitely a cooler.

    First, I don't hate the limp from the SB. Of course I'm going to call that raise as A9 is a great hand heads up, but I'm still out of position.

    You could not hope for a better flop. But, I do think here that I'd play the flop more aggressively. Your opponent is looking at 2 outs if he holds any pp including KK/QQ, 6 outs if he's holding AK/AQ, or he could have 4 outs with KQ or 8 outs with QT. Sometimes you see these guys raise any time you limp from the SB, so without a read, it's tough to put him on a distinct range here. But, even though you've hit a very good hand, there are a number of cards that may kill the action or beat you. Any K/Q/J/T/8 has to be a scare card to you or your opponent, so I think it's best to build the pot on the flop.

    Your villain is getting a little frisky by raising your SB pre-flop and now making a pot sized CB. This is a great spot to check/raise and if it only buys you the pot right here, that's great, but it will also earn you free cards later.

    Obviously, you do have a strong hand against an aggressive player here and that can be a good time to slowplay, but if he blanks the turn, I'm really not sure he's putting in another dime into the pot given his actual holding. You'll still probably get paid off by AK/AQ hands here, but they'll pay you off on a check/raise anyway.

    I guess I don't see a lot of real extra value here in the slowplay unless our vilain is going to fire a second barrel with 22 on a missed turn.

    Anyway, I agree with earlier posts to check/raise this flop. You may not get his whole stack, but in reality, you aren't anyway when he holds 22 here.
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    May 15th, 2007 (5/15/2007 9:54pm) in reply to DJ_Chaps

    Chaps, this is exactly my point - do i want to end the hand here, or look to extract more when i am likely ahead?
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    May 15th, 2007 (5/15/2007 9:58pm) in reply to Ally

    Thanks for the indepth response Ally.

    One thing i might disagree on - while it seems in this instance he was unlikely to have put any more money in if he blanked the turn, i think the majority of his range here hits this flop, and as such i expected him to fire again on the turn, and i was looking to get the money in then.

    If i check-raise the flop, unless he hit the A he probably knows he's beat, and folds, whereas the turn check-raise extracts at least another half-pot bet from 8,9 or J,10 type hands.
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  8. NYRocketMan NYRocketMan is offline

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    May 16th, 2007 (5/16/2007 4:03am) in reply to djkelly69

    It's not a question of wanting to end the hand, it's a question of finding out if he has an A or has flopped a set of 9's or has flopped a draw. You need some kind of information here - anything will do. You must raise that flop to see if he really has a hand or not.
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    May 16th, 2007 (5/16/2007 10:26am) in reply to djkelly69

    No, you're absolutely right that C/C on flop and C/R on turn might be as good or better of a line to take here. If he's got A-x, he may take exactly that route.

    However, you're not just limping in here and then calling his PF raise and then calling a pot sized bet on the flop OOP with nothing. I think your flat call on the flop should basically tell him that you've at least got an ace.

    Unless he's got AK/AQ or better, he's probably checking behind on the turn here most of the time if he's a solid player. Do you have a read on this villain as being especially aggressive?

    Anyway, I'm going to agree that the C/C flop and C/R turn is a good line to take here and may help you to extract as many chips as possible, but I really think that your villain here will take the free card on the turn and hope to get lucky on the river, or at least to have a card hit which he can represent that can beat a pair of aces.
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    May 17th, 2007 (5/17/2007 1:23pm) in reply to Ally

    doomed hand, played it welll.
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