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  1. mogoxx mogoxx is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2011 (2/4/2011 7:43am)

    playing in a $1/3 NL cash game... limped pot, everyone checks flop... ends up running out 3456x

    player a checks turn, player b bets, player a calls.... river player a checks, player b bets, player a calls

    player b flashes just a 7 to the table, just holds it up and shows it around... player a tables A2 face up on the felt... player b tosses both cards face down in muck, and dealer starts shipping pot to player a... everyone at the table says hold on player b showed a 7 and had the higher straight... dealer states he didn't see the 7 and just saw player b muck his cards...

    floor is called then... all players tell what happen with dealer explaining he never saw 7, just that player b mucked both cards face down, while player a tabled A2... everyone at tables says they saw the 7, even player a, but points out that player b never showed both cards or tabled them just flashed one card then mucked...

    floor rules for player a... do you agree? why or why not?
  2. lee118 lee118 is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2011 (2/4/2011 7:52am) in reply to mogoxx

    it kinda isnt correct morally but player B who showed the 7 must show both cards to be shipped the pot........................the floor is correct in this instance................never ever throw ur cards into the muck before the player who you have defeated has thrown his cards into the muck................and plz show both cards............
    Edited By: lee118 Feb 4th, 2011 at 07:53 AM
     
  3. poker123 poker123 is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2011 (2/4/2011 7:53am) in reply to mogoxx

    correct casino ruling everywhere

    you have to show both cards

    u mucked one your hand is dead
  4. kid duke10 kid duke10 is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2011 (2/4/2011 7:53am) in reply to mogoxx

    yes cuz thats the rule in cash game if hand goes to show down you have to flip up both cards to win the pot even if the player flipped his 7 up and mucked the other card his hand would be dead and the other player would win the pot
     
  5. lance0623 lance0623 is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2011 (2/4/2011 7:54am) in reply to kid duke10

    Agree, hand must be tabled showing both cards. Seen this happen many times.
  6. Sbeezy3030 Sbeezy3030 is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2011 (2/4/2011 1:52pm) in reply to lance0623

    Correct ruling. Gotta show both. Player B obviously has a drool cup.
  7. MRosenello MRosenello is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2011 (2/4/2011 2:13pm) in reply to Sbeezy3030

    This is the correct ruling. I had this happen to me before and was player A in the situation. I ended up giving the pot to player B anyways though.
  8. mogoxx mogoxx is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 11:03am) in reply to MRosenello

    well i was player a ....

    it was a messed u situation and nobody at the table seemed to understand the rules, so good to hear i'm not crazy thinking rules still matter... everybody at the table was bitchin saying they are leaving if i get shipped the pot, and that i should do the moral thing and give him the pot regardless of the floor decision... i kept saying he fucked up and the dealer fucked up, i did nothing wrong and if the floor decides that way, ohh well... i took the pot, and left the table, and everybody was calling me names and saying it was an asshole move, that i should do the right thing and give him the pot... i said fuck it, cashed out, and left... im there to make money, not make friends, and if human error and dealer error benefit me b/c i know and follow the rules, then so be it...
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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 11:12am) in reply to mogoxx

    - exactly why you never ditch your cards until shipped the pot.
     
  10. drunk_bunny drunk_bunny is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 11:18am) in reply to bonflizubi

    why would you ever muck a winning hand anyway? let the dealer take the cards for crying out loud.
  11. elusively elusively is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 12:13pm) in reply to drunk_bunny

    i mucked a straight flush at showboat casino in AC one time in a similar manner (except i didn't know i had the sf until the next hand was already being dealt).

    i'll never do that again.

    floor ruled correctly.
    Edited By: elusively Feb 5th, 2011 at 12:13 PM
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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 1:28pm) in reply to elusively

    A lesson well learned for you thats for sure
  13. iatetheredcrayon iatetheredcrayon is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 1:52pm) in reply to Ready

    I guarantee you he'll never make that mistake again
  14. michaelk300 michaelk300 is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 2:58pm) in reply to iatetheredcrayon

    not a dealer error a player error. dealers only read cards that have BOTH been put face up on the table. It was the players fault.
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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 3:11pm) in reply to michaelk300

    mogoxx ur a douchebag

    technically you won the hand

    morally you lost it

    same thing has happened to me a few times and i have refused to take the pot

    the game of poker should have ethics

    you saw his seven so you know you lost

    trust you will be blackballed at the casino now
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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 3:16pm) in reply to CHOOKTER

    I dont understand why people dont just let the dealer do their jobs. Once the hand is over simply turn your cards over and lay them on the table. Dealer will always take care of the rest, even if you're too piss drunk to know if you one or not. All that crazy card handling by players always causes crap.
    Edited By: spectrefax Feb 5th, 2011 at 03:17 PM
     
  17. ray419 ray419 is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 3:21pm) in reply to spectrefax

    How big was the pot?
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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 3:21pm) in reply to CHOOKTER

     
    Originally Posted by CHOOKTER View Post

    mogoxx ur a douchebag

    technically you won the hand

    morally you lost it

    same thing has happened to me a few times and i have refused to take the pot

    the game of poker should have ethics

    you saw his seven so you know you lost

    trust you will be blackballed at the casino now

    No casino will blackball you.

    LOL
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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 3:30pm) in reply to cchan

    i mean blackballed by the other players
  20. ray419 ray419 is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 4:17pm) in reply to CHOOKTER

    if you are a regular there i may consider shipping half the pot back to him.....
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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 4:30pm) in reply to ray419

    player b is an idiot. if u have it just table your cards no reason to get cute. floor rules and rulings are often terrible. no reason to chance it.

    similar thing happened to me at a 1/2 game where i had KK on a wet board but called this old guys bet. he had a straight but only flipped over one card and tossed his cards close to the muck my buddy stands up and says muck. and dealer shipped the pot towards me. floor was called and ruled in my favor. funny thing is no one was sticking up for the guy.

    i treated my buddy to a steak dinner.
    Edited By: newman2079 Feb 5th, 2011 at 04:39 PM
  22. yoonaSNSDjess yoonaSNSDjess is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 5:02pm) in reply to newman2079

    if the pots small and i havce a decent amount of chips i give it to the other player, if its a big pot, o well free $
  23. iamthedeck ftw iamthedeck ftw is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 5:44pm) in reply to mogoxx

     
    Originally Posted by mogoxx View Post

    well i was player a ....

    it was a messed u situation and nobody at the table seemed to understand the rules, so good to hear i'm not crazy thinking rules still matter... everybody at the table was bitchin saying they are leaving if i get shipped the pot, and that i should do the moral thing and give him the pot regardless of the floor decision... i kept saying he fucked up and the dealer fucked up, i did nothing wrong and if the floor decides that way, ohh well... i took the pot, and left the table, and everybody was calling me names and saying it was an asshole move, that i should do the right thing and give him the pot... i said fuck it, cashed out, and left... im there to make money, not make friends, and if human error and dealer error benefit me b/c i know and follow the rules, then so be it...

    Good for you man I prob woulda done the same thing except I wouldn't have tabled my A2 I just wait for them to turn both cards over, even when I have the card they are showing beat. My logic is "I called you show me what hand you played that way from that position etc". Fk him for thinking he can scoop the pot after getting called and not showing what hand he had.
    Edited By: iamthedeck ftw Feb 5th, 2011 at 05:45 PM
    Reason: I FKN HATE LIVE ANGLES!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  24. haonhack haonhack is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 6:14pm) in reply to iamthedeck ftw

    yeah i don't get why there is any discussion about this after the first person said that the floor had the correct ruling. player b didn't show both his cards to win the pot and then mucked them. simple as that. you got the pot because you deserved the pot after the actions that were taken by player b. it is an interesting situation though and i think you definitely did the right thing by being non-confrontational and just cashing out.
  25. Bigpoopadump Bigpoopadump is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 6:21pm) in reply to haonhack

    You were the last person with cards so you win. He mucked like a dumb ass and got what he deserved. I bet he won't do that cute flashing one card shit again.
  26. dodgingjets dodgingjets is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 6:26pm) in reply to Bigpoopadump

    wtf is "morally won". He mucked his hand. It's not complicated.
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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 7:05pm) in reply to dodgingjets

    100% correct ruling. You'll never get paid without displaying both hole cards face up. I once just showed the player next to me my cards, and he mucked his. My hand was Queen high, but he thought he saw something different and threw in his cards. Apparently he had bottom pair, but they paid me, and I didn't even have to show. Moral of the story, never muck unless you're shown that you're beat.
  28. TheWhitePele TheWhitePele is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 7:11pm) in reply to premierw

    lol at letting go of your cards without being scooped the pot
  29. tcdmb36 tcdmb36 is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2011 (2/5/2011 7:13pm) in reply to premierw

    what is this morally lost bs.....player b shouldn't play a game he doesn't know the rules to..no way you ever give that pot back
  30. mogoxx mogoxx is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2011 (2/6/2011 2:13am) in reply to tcdmb36

    It was about $225 pot... sometimes the lessons u learn are expensive.... I don't even think the other players at the table even understood why the floor ruled how they did.... I gotta get to the casino more often now
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