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Cash game hand, rivered the bottom of a 4 cards straight

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  1. lampshade9909 lampshade9909 is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2012 (7/20/2012 3:57am)

    SHNL $100 Max Cash game hand: http://www.pokerhand.org/?6429040

    I have 3.1K hands with Villain. Villain raises first in with 45% of hands from the button. His fold to 3bet IP is only 50%, but his fold to Cbet in 3bet pots is 57%. Villain's fold to Cbet on Turn is a surprising 13% out of 23 samples. Villain's Bet River is 35% (note, this is not river Cbet, this is just river bet. An average Bet River for this site is probably around 28 or 29%. So Villain clearly Bets Rivers more than average.

    The difficult part about this hand is the river, where I don't hit my Overcard or my flush, but I do hit the a.s.s. end of the 4 card straight. A Ten is deffinietly in my oppoent's hand range since he opens with such a wide range from the button and calls a lot of 3bets IP. But my opponent's Bet River is about 6 or 7% higher than average and I'm getting 2:1 pot odds with the best bluff catcher possible (bottom straight). Also, the line I took, 3bet, Cbet flop, Cbet turn, Check river, really looks weak and his all in could be a missed draw or a pair turned into a bluff.

    Opinions please! Is the River call good or bad here? Thanks ahead of time!
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    Jul 20th, 2012 (7/20/2012 7:05am) in reply to lampshade9909

    Meh. Awkward spot. There's no missed straight draws since everything hit, so he either missed with hearts or has it. I think a lot of 1pr/2pr hands check back since they think they're good. I guess the occasional 1 pr hand could turn his hand into a bluff. He needs to have missed and bluffed the the draw about 1/3 of the time for you call here. I don't hate the call, but I think I prefer shoving the river.

    You can rep missed draws and still get value from 2pr type hands. And if you're calling off anyway, I think shoving is probably better since you get value from worse hands as opposed to just bluff catching, unless you think your opponent will be bluffing a very high % of the time.

    That said, cash isn't my specialty and playing 100bb pots on the river isn't my strength.
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    Jul 20th, 2012 (7/20/2012 3:20pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    I think I prefer shoving the river. You can rep missed draws and still get value from 2pr type hands. And if you're calling off anyway, I think shoving is probably better since you get value from worse hands as opposed to just bluff catching, unless you think your opponent will be bluffing a very high % of the time.


    Really good point, I didn't think about that. Rather than checking and hoping to check it down or get a worse hand to bet, just shove and hope to get value from two pair or a set that can't fold.... Not a bad option. I guess by checking the river in that spot I'm letting a Ten value bet me and two pair or a set get off easy...

    Also, what do you think about his Fold to Turn Cbet being soooo ridiculously low, does that merit a check/call on the turn rather than a bet since I know he's going to call?? I thought about this in the heat of the moment, but I kept thinking "I have a draw I must bet to get any possible fold equity... even if it's like 13%..."
    Edited By: lampshade9909 Jul 20th, 2012 at 03:24 PM
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