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  1. Cash game Isle Florida. 5/10 Stacks both a little above 1000

    Raises and Reraises are much higher in Florida than in most areas.

    Standard Raise is 55 to 90 for mid to late raisers vs 30 to 45 in Las Vegas ,

    I was in late middle position. Might have been hijack or one before the hijack.

    My image is usually Tight Agressive but I had just won a 1300 pot with a Kh 9h on a shove on a A h 3 h 9 c board.

    Pot was 130 and the player on my right made it 50 to play.

    I reraised all in for 600 hoping to take it down with out a fight. He called with AQ off and I spiked a 10 h on the river to double up.

    So my image is now more loose aggressive than tight aggressive in my opinion.

    Now the hand that is in Question.

    I raise with Qc Qd to 90 in middle late position. I was ready to leave with nice profit but QQ was a hand to play at this table.

    Villain on my left Reraises to$ 225 and the Button and the blinds plus one limper all fold.

    Now I have two plays here: I can reshove and play for stacks or I can smooth call for $135 more. The pot odds are such that I would be foolish to lay down third top pair.

    Villain has made similar moves in the past with a range of 33 to AA or AJ to AK are in his range. He is also capable of bluffing with suited connectors.

    The small reraise with three players to act was very suspicious. Was he leaving room to fold to a reraise or was he encouraging action?

    So what would the consensus do here. Reshove Smooth call and see a flop or ( Fold)

    I smooth called for the $135 more hoping to spike a Q or under cards on the flop.

    The flop came Ac K c 3 d

    Your play with this hand and preflop how would you play it?

    < Note I was influenced on how I played it by and article in Poker Pro playing QQ under the Gun to a Reraise>
  2. misread the whole thing. never mind me.
    Edited By: WarpedWorld Sep 1st, 2010 at 07:05 PM
  3. Shove it pre
  4. Flat pre/ fold flop. Go on and take the money and run ooooooo ooooooo ooooooo
     
  5.  
    Originally Posted by clovus View Post

    Cash game Isle Florida. 5/10 Stacks both a little above 1000

    Raises and Reraises are much higher in Florida than in most areas.

    Standard Raise is 55 to 90 for mid to late raisers vs 30 to 45 in Las Vegas ,

    I was in late middle position. Might have been hijack or one before the hijack.

    My image is usually Tight Agressive but I had just won a 1300 pot with a Kh 9h on a shove on a A h 3 h 9 c board.

    Pot was 130 and the player on my right made it 50 to play.

    I reraised all in for 600 hoping to take it down with out a fight. He called with AQ off and I spiked a 10 h on the river to double up.

    So my image is now more loose aggressive than tight aggressive in my opinion.

    Now the hand that is in Question.

    I raise with Qc Qd to 90 in middle late position. I was ready to leave with nice profit but QQ was a hand to play at this table.

    Villain on my left Reraises to$ 225 and the Button and the blinds plus one limper all fold.

    Now I have two plays here: I can reshove and play for stacks or I can smooth call for $135 more. The pot odds are such that I would be foolish to lay down third top pair.

    Villain has made similar moves in the past with a range of 33 to AA or AJ to AK are in his range. He is also capable of bluffing with suited connectors.

    The small reraise with three players to act was very suspicious. Was he leaving room to fold to a reraise or was he encouraging action?

    So what would the consensus do here. Reshove Smooth call and see a flop or ( Fold)

    I smooth called for the $135 more hoping to spike a Q or under cards on the flop.

    The flop came Ac K c 3 d

    Your play with this hand and preflop how would you play it?

    < Note I was influenced on how I played it by and article in Poker Pro playing QQ under the Gun to a Reraise>

    is this player most likely to just cbet when checked to him? do u think hes ballsy enough to raise ur bet on the flop without a hand if ur willing to lead out cause if he just flats its an easy check fold for u for the rest of the hand.

    i personally hate smallish reraises pre sometimes it throws me off but i think hes doing it with ak 1010 jj maybe aq it seems like his goal for the preflop bet was to iso u and he did so from here i think im check folding and leaving with my profits on the day. i'm very interested in the results tho
  6. because of your asinine prf raise size you are forced to play for stacks here preflop if you think he's re-raising you as wide as you said. Anything else is terrible.
  7. how much does villian have behind
     
  8.  
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

    how much does villian have behind

     
    Originally Posted by clovus View Post

    Cash game Isle Florida. 5/10 Stacks both a little above 1000..

    .
    Edited By: nuttedup Sep 1st, 2010 at 08:33 PM
    Reason: i suck at quoting
  9. Im no cash guru, and certainly don't play those stakes, but I'd flat pre, and being OOP on that flop, I'm check folding. Nit it up, go home with profit.
  10. what's his HUD stats?

     
    Originally Posted by jjdeadline View Post

    Im no cash guru, and certainly don't play those stakes, but I'd flat pre, and being OOP on that flop, I'm check folding. Nit it up, go home with profit.

    sad but true, cash is a nuts game
     
  11.  
    Originally Posted by nuttedup View Post

    because of your asinine prf raise size you are forced to play for stacks here preflop if you think he's re-raising you as wide as you said. Anything else is terrible.

    This is true. For the sake of discution and education, if you were 100bbs deep effective or more, you can flat his 3bet if:

    -You put him in AA-KK and you have odds to setmine

    -He is never 5 betting worse (Either worse value or bluffs)

    -You believe you can be deceptive enough and he is willing to get it in with tt-jj in a low cards flop
    Edited By: el arracachero Sep 1st, 2010 at 08:41 PM
  12. try to get to the turn maybe there will be a queen
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  13. shove pre
  14.  
    Originally Posted by TheSteve View Post

    is this player most likely to just cbet when checked to him? do u think hes ballsy enough to raise ur bet on the flop without a hand if ur willing to lead out cause if he just flats its an easy check fold for u for the rest of the hand.

    i personally hate smallish reraises pre sometimes it throws me off but i think hes doing it with ak 1010 jj maybe aq it seems like his goal for the preflop bet was to iso u and he did so from here i think im check folding and leaving with my profits on the day. i'm very interested in the results tho

    I checked to the reraiser then folded.
    Thread Starter
  15. so i take it we're not gonna find out what the villains hand was
  16.  
    Originally Posted by TheSteve View Post

    so i take it we're not gonna find out what the villains hand was

    I am still tormented. I think the right play to determine if I was ahead was to shove Pre flop. How ever three pros agreed with the consensus. Lay it down or see a flop and then decide. I walked with a nice profit and don't regret the decision. I still had back door flush draws but the min raise threw me off.

    I wil try and ask the villain later when I see him if he had me beat or not. Doubt he will tell though. The A Q off makes the most sense now and I was probably ahead pre flop but behind on the flop.

    The smaller reraise now reeks of a big A with fold equity to a 4 bet or reshove
    Thread Starter
  17.  
    Originally Posted by gpokerg View Post

    try to get to the turn maybe there will be a queen

    LOL
  18.  
    Originally Posted by clovus View Post

    I am still tormented. I think the right play to determine if I was ahead was to shove Pre flop. How ever three pros agreed with the consensus. Lay it down or see a flop and then decide. I walked with a nice profit and don't regret the decision. I still had back door flush draws but the min raise threw me off.

    I wil try and ask the villain later when I see him if he had me beat or not. Doubt he will tell though. The A Q off makes the most sense now and I was probably ahead pre flop but behind on the flop.

    The smaller reraise now reeks of a big A with fold equity to a 4 bet or reshove

    That seems like a really good way to determine if you are ahead imo, no money in live cash everyones solid.
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  19. sooooo... you are ready to leave with a profit... but you pick up QQ and 9x it, get raised, and then don't know what to do? wat?
  20. 9x is the standard raise size in florida tho
  21.  
    Originally Posted by clovus View Post

    Villain has made similar moves in the past with a range of 33 to AA or AJ to AK are in his range. He is also capable of bluffing with suited connectors.

    You pretty much answered your own question with this sentence. Although I like how the villain ditches 22 but reraises 33.

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 32.457% 31.77% 00.68% 349270800 7528464.00 { 33+, AJs+, AJo+ }
    Hand 1: 67.543% 66.86% 00.68% 734971440 7528464.00 { QQ }
     
  22. def shove pre
     
  23. u shouldnt be playin this level if ur goin too leave wen u have 120bb. just ship pre and reload if ur wrong or play lower. playin cash with scared money is just plain stupid/

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