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CASH GAME QUESTION: Is this Standard?

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  1. coolxigrey coolxigrey is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2008 (2/13/2008 1:30pm)

    pokerstars GAME #15251628621: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/02/13 - 00:58:02 (ET)
    Table 'Epeigeus V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: TheFishHuntr ($33.65 in chips)
    Seat 2: coolxigrey ($46.25 in chips)
    Seat 4: iverson30333 ($26.70 in chips)
    Seat 5: evantair ($169.20 in chips)
    Seat 6: caz1604 ($49.10 in chips)
    TheFishHuntr: posts small blind $0.25
    coolxigrey: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to coolxigrey [Qd Ad]
    iverson30333: calls $0.50
    evantair: folds
    caz1604: calls $0.50
    TheFishHuntr: calls $0.25
    coolxigrey: raises $2 to $2.50
    iverson30333: calls $2
    caz1604: folds
    TheFishHuntr: folds
    *** FLOP *** [8h As 4h]
    coolxigrey: bets $5
    iverson30333: raises $5 to $10
    coolxigrey: raises $33.75 to $43.75 and is all-in
    iverson30333: calls $14.20 and is all-in
    *** TURN *** [8h As 4h] [9d]
    *** RIVER *** [8h As 4h 9d] [5h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    coolxigrey: shows [Qd Ad] (a pair of Aces)
    iverson30333: shows [4s 4d] (three of a kind, Fours)
    iverson30333 collected $52.40 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $54.40 | Rake $2
    Board [8h As 4h 9d 5h]
    Seat 1: TheFishHuntr (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: coolxigrey (big blind) showed [Qd Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 4: iverson30333 showed [4s 4d] and won ($52.40) with three of a kind, Fours
    Seat 5: evantair folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: caz1604 (button) folded before Flop

    Am i ever suppose to realize someone has a set and get away from the hand?

    I was looking at my pokertracker and I am in the red for one pair.
  2. junsie junsie is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2008 (2/13/2008 1:33pm) in reply to coolxigrey

    what's Iverson's VPIP/PFR/TAF lookin like? Yeah this is a hand you can get away from, why shove all in there? He's doing the donkey min-raise strength routine which is usually a red flag.

    EDIT: bleh wasn't looking at the stack size, but you should be looking for the things I mentioned anyways
  3. VINNY VT VINNY VT is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2008 (2/13/2008 1:36pm) in reply to coolxigrey

    you're not folding here to a 50 bb stack, standard
  4. Flammpoker Flammpoker is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2008 (2/13/2008 1:37pm) in reply to coolxigrey

    In fact, everyone who has more than say 50k (50k is a guess) hands is in the red for one pair. The average winning hand in HOld em is 2 pair. As far as the hand goes, like everything else in poker, it depends : your read on the player, how aggro would the player be with a hand you beat? you can only beat AJ, AT, A8... would your opponent play any of those hands that way? This is a hand where you probably could've gotten away from TP2K, unless you've seen your opponent donk around with flush draws or 1 pair hands before.

    So I'd say not standard. You overplayed your hand, unless you knew something about the guy.
  5. Flammpoker Flammpoker is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2008 (2/13/2008 1:38pm) in reply to Flammpoker

    eh, just noticed he was a shortie, so ya probably is more standard then... still be careful of minraises.
  6. IBIZAIBIZA! IBIZAIBIZA! is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2008 (2/13/2008 1:42pm) in reply to coolxigrey

    extremely hard to get away here at these levels. This minraise could mean anything at these stakes, from a donk finding out if his A2o is good, or he has a set. U can reraise to find out where ur at,but at that point ur obviously pot-commited with half ur chips in there.
    Bad luck thats all.
     
  7. Rocket Surgeon Rocket Surgeon is offline & brain scientist

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    Feb 13th, 2008 (2/13/2008 1:42pm) in reply to coolxigrey

    To be honest he doesn't have enough money for me to get off this hand without any other information.

    How was he playing? What were his stats? If he was splashing around a good bit and playing like a typical awful player with 50BBs at the table, then I would get it in here. If he was playing super tight and waiting for his spot, then I would be a little more hesistant.

    I shove here probably 98%+ of the time against players at this level unless I had some very good info on them.
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