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Cash Game, Too Agressive

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  1. donk51 donk51 is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 4:32pm)

    I have no history of the opponent. I presume his min raise on the flop with the flush draw is a sign of weakness. I figure he cannot play to my reraise on the flop without a huge hand. Should i presume a random opponent is a calling station at 2/4?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #1565520273: Table Pentagon (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:57:12 ET - 2007/01/09

    Seat 1: donkeybrane ($526.50)

    Seat 2: Bortzork ($400)

    Seat 3: HaveItHaveNot ($881.05)

    Seat 4: X Hawk ($71.80)

    Seat 5: stevens303 ($426.30)

    Seat 6: hlwhale ($390)

    donkeybrane posts the small blind of $2

    Bortzork posts the big blind of $4

    The button is in seat #6

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to Bortzork [Qc Kc]

    HaveItHaveNot folds

    X Hawk folds

    stevens303 raises to $8

    hlwhale folds

    donkeybrane folds

    Bortzork raises to $26

    stevens303 calls $18

    *** FLOP *** [3c Ac 2d]

    Bortzork bets $45

    stevens303 raises to $90

    Bortzork raises to $270

    stevens303 calls $180

    *** TURN *** [3c Ac 2d] [Js]

    Bortzork bets $104, and is all in

    stevens303 calls $104

    Bortzork shows [Qc Kc]

    stevens303 shows [As Jd]

    *** RIVER *** [3c Ac 2d Js] [4d]

    Bortzork shows Ace King high

    stevens303 shows two pair, Aces and Jacks

    stevens303 wins the pot ($799) with two pair, Aces and Jacks

    Bortzork adds $400

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot $802 | Rake $3

    Board: [3c Ac 2d Js 4d]

    Seat 1: donkeybrane (small blind) folded before the Flop

    Seat 2: Bortzork (big blind) showed [Qc Kc] and lost with Ace King high

    Seat 3: HaveItHaveNot didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 4: X Hawk didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 5: stevens303 showed [As Jd] and won ($799) with two pair, Aces and Jacks

    Seat 6: hlwhale (button) didn't bet (folded)
  2. takeover_inc takeover_inc is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 4:49pm) in reply to donk51

    I really don't like your rr out of the blinds. I by no means think you should fold your hand, but a call is a much better idea. Your stacks are deep enough that your villian could decide to call with a wide range of hands in posititon. Don't think you should fold pre flop, but a raise is a wee bit excessive.

    As for your flop betting, if you saw the min raise as weak, then by all means fire away. people may say different beings they can see the whole hand, but at the table is different. If you think you can pick up this already big pot with a rr, then by all means take a stab.

    Your turn bet is a complete donation tho. Think about the action so far.

    Pre-flop...open, rr out of the blinds, call.

    flop...open, min raise, large re-raise, call.

    If that much has happened in one hand, then your K high is no good, and no one is folding anything. It sucks to have to bail out on a hand after all that action, but more times than not in this spot you are beat. Save the 104 dollars for another hand, where you can get it in better.

    -take
  3. sc000t sc000t is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 4:54pm) in reply to donk51

    I dont think you can ASSUME that every unkown player at 2/4 NL is going to call this. But I think many weak players will. Look at their hand and think about their reasoning. Why would they be playing this hand if they are going to fold a flop like this? I'm sure when you reraise they could be thinking they have at worst...3 outs. either its AJ vs QQ, KK or AJ vs AK, AQ. So when they hit one...they probably wont get away from it, especially after a raise.

    I havent played 2/4 NL in about a year as i had to drop down from taking money off of pacific poker. I like the push and i dont liek the call on their part...i dont think they beat anything here but exaclty what you have...and even then, its still not a lock.
  4. Ally Ally is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 5:16pm) in reply to donk51

    2/4 is generally out of my price range, but I'm not sure I like your play. Of course, only you know the table dynamics--who the aggressive players are.

    First, I'm not sure I like the PF re-raise unless your opponent has been raising with a lot of hands.

    (I'm also not sure I like your opponent's call unless you've been playing extremely aggressive).

    I like the pot flop bet representing that you hit your ace hard. But, his minraise should send some warning bells to go off that you should proceed with caution. (I generally see this as a sign of an opponent just looking for you to push).

    I don't like the size of your flop reraise... It leaves you only $104 behind? What are you going to do with that? It will give you no fold equity and you've got to put it in the middle even if you don't hit your hand. Plus, it eliminates all of your implied odds to hit your flush. If you want to push here with your flush draw and backdoor straight draw, then push and pray because chances are you are well behind in the hand and your opponent is begging you to push.

    I'm not even sure I like a call here since it's unlikely that your opponent pays off your flush if you hit it on the turn. (You'll hit a flush 1 in 6 and you're unlikely to get paid off the correct amount necessary to make that call worthwhile). But, it's possible if you flat call here and shove the turn, or re-raise all in on the turn that you'll have some fold equity and could possibly take down a hand that isn't yours.

    Here's my read by the way this hand played out. My guess is that you've been extremely aggressive and that your opponents have just been waiting to get stacked through you. That's the only way I see your opponents continuing with AJ preflop and flop.

    You've got to have some idea of what your table image is. If you've been too aggressive and start to have people play back at you and call you down with weaker hands, you've got to slow down. That's my guess here. My guess is that your opponent decided that if he caught any piece of that flop he was going to look you up.
  5. donkhunter donkhunter is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2007 (1/10/2007 9:49am) in reply to Ally

    Combo draws = Gambool, your line on the hand = the suck. All in on the flop is the best way to proceed, and DEF. dont´RR there oop preflop.
  6. banjos banjos is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2007 (1/10/2007 1:29pm) in reply to donkhunter

    i dont think theres nothing wrong with reraising preflop here but i dont like betting into that flop u have a great draw why not check that baby and if he checks back u can try and get there for free if he bets the flop u can assume he has nothing or a weak A then blam check raise his ass hell feel sick when u check raise him in that spot wondering if his weak A is any good
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