i can only think of two:

1) In cash games there is no pressure to build a stack, therefore no value in stealing blinds unless building an aggressive image

2) Cash games are usually pretty deep stacked so alot of the play is post flop, where are as tourneys are usually pre flop all in fests.

Hope this helped and best of luck!

1) Cash games have no time clock ....( introduce a time limt hour glass and luck becomes >>>>force in the outcome).....the best players in a cash game will get the most $$$ over time ...compared to the luckiest person getting the #1 spot in a MTT. I mean how many pros have 2 or more wins at the WSOP ME? Or for that matter 2 or more wins on the sunday stars big MTT?

2) Cash games have less luck associated with the outcome of a winner....the best players always have the largest profits pulled from the cash tables over weeks and monthes....alot of the highest rank MTT players just have the highest VOLUME of MTT's played...which plays a HUGE roll in why they final table so often.

3) Cash games require a more solid mind frame than MTT's...tilt in a cash game can DESTROY a BR...where in a MTT your sent to the rail and lose just a bs buyin...

4) The game of poker was meant to be played as a cash game...MTT's were invented to induce side action-----> to fill cash games with donkeys at the partiular MTT event.

~WarCrimes

Note: the above statements are obv BIAS as I am a avid cash game player! lol

Well, there is really 1 major diference between cash and tournment poker

In cash games, evey chip is worth exactly the same as every other chip in value to you (each $1 chip has the exact same value to you).

In tournaments, the chips in front of you are often worth more than the chips you can potentially win, since if you lose the chips in front of you, you lose your tournament life. This risk is not there in a cash game, since the option is there to buy back in.

Note: the above statements are obv BASIS as I am a avid cash game player! lol

Biased... and largely inaccurate.

<span>alot of the highest rankMTT players just have the highest VOLUME of MTT's played...which playsa HUGE roll in why they final table so often.

</span>This is downright ignorant. How can playing more improve your results (apart from increasing your experience level)? Prizes are directly proportional to buy-ins and the number of entrants, so unless you're capable of beating the games, then you're going to go broke. That's just basic math.

<span>Cash games require a moresolid mind frame than MTT's...tilt in a cash game can DESTROY aBR...where in a MTT your sent to the rail and lose just a bs buyin...

</span>Not only ignorant, but ridiculous. A more "solid" mind frame? What does that even mean? MTTs require paying attention to many more factors than cash play. Your stack size, the average stack size in the tournament, the number of remaining players, the time left in the current round, your M, the prize structure, when you need to steal next, etc., etc. Maybe you don't pay attention to any of these things? Might be why you think MTTs are dominated by luck...

As for the BR argument... if you're following proper Bankroll management strategy, then "busting" from a cash game should have no greater effect on your overall roll than busting out of an MTT. In each case, you've only lost your "bs buy-in."

The game of poker was meant to be played as a cash game...

Right... and the game of basketball was meant to be played in a laundry basket nailed to a telephone pole. Good thing games evolve over time to include interesting and exciting variants, eh?

Negative. Maybe the argument is semantic, but you're making the same mistake. Playing a larger volume does not "increase" any chances, it simply increases the number of trials. Statisically speaking, the difference is absolutely fundamental.

Aside from being a good player a lot of things have to fall into the right place in order for someone to win a tournament. They have to win some coinflips, avoid running into coolers and pick up some hands.

This is correct if you're talking about <span>one tournament</span>. Successful MTT players must be able to cash and win consistently over time, and when you look at achieving consistent results over long periods of time, all of those other "things" you mention fall away and all that's left is solid tournament poker play. This is the very essence of poker as a profession... skillfull, disciplined play makes luck statistically insignificant.

^^^ agreed with alex...if a retard plays many many MTT he goes broke that much faster...my point is FT are obtained faster by good player by increasing the volumn of MTT entered

in other waords 2 great MTT players play same fields when they play

PLayer 1 plays 2000 MTTs this year

PLayer 2 plays 200 MTTs this year

Which player will ahve more FT's obtain at end of year?

<span>A good FT % I am told is > than 5-6% increasing the the amount of MTT's play will of course in turn increase the the amount of FTs obtained</span>

You must qualify that statement. It will increase the number of FT's in a given period of time. What it will <span>not</span> do is increase your "chances" of making a FT which is what you implied in your original post. In short, simply "playing more" will not make you a more (or less) profitable MTT player. Chance of success and number of trials are indepdenent. One does not beget the other.

<span>The purpose of the above question is to illustrate the luck you need in a MTT because in a MTT it usually comes down to you having your stack in the center >20 sum odds times before its…To ahve AA hold up vs 25 hands for all your chips 25 times in a row WITHOUT LOSING 1 time is in FACT LUCK.</span>

Your argument makes sense if you're simplifying tourmanet play to a series of All-In confrontations. A key tournament strategy is avoiding situations in which your stack is at risk as anything but a huge favorite. This can mean having a stack large enough to comfortably cover the person with whom you are showing down, it can mean using position as an advantage to avoid preflop All-In confrontations. It can mean folding hands you would normally play in cash games because tournament life has greater value than chips, etc., etc.

Here is a problem for you; very simple: if MTTs rely entirely on the 1 in ~1M chances of winning 20 consecutive coinflips, how does anyone ever play MTTs profitably? Are certain people just "extra lucky?" Or, as you suggested, does playing more often somehow "increase" your luck?

<span>Lol...takes more "solid mindframe??? The cash game structure never changes from the blind lvl point of view...but the subtle parts changes a TON from begginning to end of a session...</span>

And that's not true of MTTs? Hmm.

<span>a regular cash game like the 5-10 NL and above on BoDOg takes MORE than 6 hrs..cough* how long a MTT lasts btw</span>

Uhh, okay. And? What's one MTT? To be successful, you have to play thousands. Over and over again. Over months, MONTHS. The same strategies of recognizing betting patterns and disguising your own apply. Or do you think people don't pay attention to their opponents in tournaments?

<span>PLayers get tired and open up more...this takes accute attention to see...players get tightier cause they just won a huge pot...there is so much to observe during a single cash game session over 8 hrs than you can ever hope to write down in a single post....let alone a running cash game that takes months to break up...</span>

Players get short stacked in tournaments and change the way the play. Players get huge chip stacks and change the way they play. People change the way they play near the bubble and then again immediately afterwards. People even play differently on the last hand before a break or before the blinds go up. There is so much to observe during a single tournament session than you can ever hope to write down in a single post… let alone playing the same tournament nightly for months with a lot of the same entrants.

<span>in MTT's you know when sum1 is SS they are gunna push soon..wow great observations</span>

In order to observe it and respond you have to actually have a stack of chips and be at the table. That requires playing solid poker and waiting for opportunities to take advantage of these situations.

<span>there...calculating M WOW add then divide see how many orbits you can last b4 your rol lthe craps dice...<--- thats not luck noway Jose'...lmao..</span>

If that's really your MTT strategy it's probably best you stick to cash.

<span>Noticing things like when to open up and steal more extra is a skill undoubtbly...no argument...knowing wwhen the lvl are increasing? that bs its osted...how players are left? are you serious?? its posted...the prize structure?? its posted...</span>

Hahahaha. I mean, *sigh*

Seriously? The point wasn't knowing these things, it's knowing how they change the way people play and responding to take advantage of these changes, genius. I mean, really?

<span>Also reguarding BR's in a MTT u lose 1 buyin IF you TILT...in cash game you can lose your ENTIRE BR IN 1 SESSION ON TILT</span>

If you have no concept of BR management… I guess.

<span>...it cant happen in a MTT, you cant have this happen ,its over your out ...there's no "trying to get even"....rt there rt now...your out...wait till its offered again...the cash game is ETERNAL its always there...you can ruin yourself if your mind is mush...</span>

There's only one tournament online a night? You can't buy into another? You can't play above your BR when you're tilting? Nobody has ever busted out of a $10 SnG on a bad beat and said "fuck it" and bought into a $500 heads up matches until they go bust?

Okay…