Nope, I hope they burn. PS, FT, and bodog are pleanty. If you combine piss and shit together, it still tastes like ass.

Sirius-ly?

Nope. This is a dumb idea. Merge two junky/corrupt companies (that were already the same anyway), create a new, flashy platform, and call it by a different name? C'mon. Can you say smoke and mirrors?

But I can't blame them for trying I guess. Consumers are fickle. And new players come into the equation all the time. Ppl will forget what happened and news and outrage of the scandal will fade. A new name and image will help them distance themselves from the wafting pile of manure that is their "former" organization.

They've already shown they have a giant marketing budget w/ all those ghey tv ads. The promotion team will just be licking their chops now at the opportunity to market a new brand. Like PT barnum said...

F PT, F UB, F AP, F CEREUS

I can't believe people are actually falling for this. Why would you have any reason to trust them now. What has really changed? We've been told nothing other than.....you caught us - it was an insider - here's your money back - you caught us again here's your money back - new company name and a promise it can't happen again.

I don't know about you but I feel safe playing there.

Oh and people are still owed money from new accounts discovered after their 1st release by 2+2 once again.

I think it's too late for them. Changing names should have been done earlier in the game.

 

Originally Posted by peacebrother

One of the strangest plants of the desert, the Night-bloomiing Cereus is a member of the <SPAN class=kLink>Cactus</SPAN> Family that resembles nothing more than a dead bush most of the year. It is rarely seen in the wild because of its inconspicuousness. But for one midsummer's night each year, its exqusitely scented flower opens as night falls, then closes forever with the first rays of the morning sun.

A strange herald

HMMMMMMM.......Nice research. Are you serious?

does anybody know if ap and ub will be shut down when this new site opens up? I think its a decent enough idea, however it should have been announced after all investigations of wrong doing with ultimate bet were concluded

F UB

F AP

F anyone retarded enough to deposit/play at any of those sites...

Cocktails?!

The Dude

 

Originally Posted by goofy2485

I think the improtant thing to remember here is Annie Duke has no affiliation at all with AP and she never will. WP lies.

I am still not someone who is a paid endorser of AP. AP and UB are to remain separate brands that will operate on the same platform. The sites are not changing names to CEREUS. CEREUS is the new platform. AP and UB will operate on the new platform which is really cool, IMO, because it means traffic will nearly double right away. I will still be endorsing the UB brand not the AP brand.

Even so, I said I did not endorse AP. I don't believe I ever said that I would never ever ever cross my heart hope to die ever in the future endorse AP. So let's say that I thought this software was awesome and believed in the new management going forward and so decided to become and AP endorser, would this make me a liar? I am confused by your statement.

Annie

my guess is AP will be a "skin" to UB
and ub will be a "skin" to AP

players from both site can play both tourney schedules

Seriously?

If you play on 'Cereus' and get taken you f'n deserve it.

 

Originally Posted by Cmac

but you have to believe that if they go through with this, that they have learned from their mistakes.

How so?

I lol'ed^^^^

Oh...don't get me wrong. I completely understand that I have made a difficult choice and that I will get some bashing for it. However, I will defend myself against people calling me a liar when I certainly have not lied. I have made a choice to stick by UB because I truly believe that it is the act of integrity for me. I have publicly stated, including in front of congress, that one of the huge advantages of online poker is the transparency of the data that it affords. Cheating will occur in poker. It is an enormous financial market and, much like the stock market, it will attract disgusting behavior and shady individuals who want to take advantage of the money to be gained from dishonest behavior. Unlike the stock market though, the transparency of the data in online poker allows us to go back when a problem is discovered and make the affected people whole. I don't think anyone who invested in a stock that Ivan Boesky or Michael Milken cheated was ever made whole. The SEC levied big fines but the actual individuals who were affected were not made right.

Now, I have said publicly that this is why online poker should be supported. That we must support managements that leverage the transparency and don't just tell the customer base to screw off. So as this scandal was developing I get some insight into when the cheating happened, what the relationship of the cheater was to the company, how the investigation was going and I find out that the cheater has no relationship to this current management and that this management was, indeed, leveraging the transparency of the data and using the knowledge to shore up security, secure the software and develop going forward much better security systems. I also know that this management was not making excuses or turning a blind eye to their own responsibility in this in terms of not having the large transfers and multiple accounts and account name changes trigger normal fraud investigation, which those kinds of behaviors should have. I also know that the cheater receives no financial benefit from whatever help I give UB to grow from here.

So now I say to myself, I can walk away and state indignantly that I will not be associated with cheaters. But honestly, that would be really hypocritical of me since I know the management in place, Paul Leggett in particular, are not cheaters and are trying to do the right thing by the players and move the brand forward in a positive way. So yes, that would be the easy way out reputation wise for me. But it would be dishonest of me to do so and against what I have publicly stood for in regards to how companies should behave in the face of issues.

So I chose to be part of the solution. I chose to support Paul Leggett, a man who has done nothing but try to do right by the people who were affected by this and I am not the only one with this opinion of him...see Nat Arum for details on that.

So I know I will be bashed for continuing to support the brand. I am well aware of that. But this is the right choice for my conscience.

That being said, I am totally supportive of anyone who does not, for ethical or moral reasons, choose to play on UB. I get that and understand why someone would have that opinion. I have a violent reaction to cheating myself. I just have an awful lot of insight into who actually did the cheating and it was not the people who run UB today. But again, I get why someone would choose to stay away from the brand and I am completely respectful of anyone who chooses that as their course of action. I, at the same time, don't expect everyone to respect my decision to stick by UB. But that is who I am and what I believe in and I have to go with my gut and what I think is the most honest and consistent choice for me.

Annie

 

Originally Posted by Cmac

I understand it is in UB's best interest to prevent the cheating, and they are trying to fix this, this CEREUS seems to me to be the first step in the right direction. I guess the only two questions I have about this move are:

1) What happens if someone has an account on AP and UB?

and

2) Does this software make cheating impossible in the same way that Full Tilt's does?

i would like to know the answer to this too....??????