<SPAN>Till yesterday I didn't even know him except all the different alias' I sat down with on the step higher games. Reading some of the freaking post with people defending his actions make me steam. He should be in jail serving time. He made off with more than 200k. Read his posts. That 100k they confiscated is nothing to how much he cheated off the site. You steal about 5k that's grand theft.

Good player! Maybe now after using all the stolen money to develop his game! If someone gave me 200k in free money I'll become a great player much faster. I'll take chances and see how many times I can bluff or what types of players I can bluff. It's free money right. So why not use it to learn more about the game. Hell I'll even go on to say that I'll make plays looks good on camera right. It's not my money if I just want the title and recognition. If I lose here no biggie I have the next game to look forward to. After all i'm getting a free entry.

MTT format. For all of you thinking those 6 entries is some small edge. It's a huge edge. Know the game. MTT's are relative to the blinds per time per hands. 600 players in MTT. Everyone was getting a 1/600 odds of winning the tournament. He was getting 6/600 which is 1/100. That's huge. He's getting a prize that was guaranteed for 1/600 odds at 1/100 price. Top prize is 100k. If you had played a field of 100 the prize would have only been 16k. A huge difference.

If the tournament were 600 players. You can enter 6 times, but only after you have been eliminated and you only get to bring in the starting amount of 1000 chips. Would you take the offer? Let me see 1st hour goes by. You get elimated. This time the blinds are 300. Another hour another elimination. Blinds 1000. Again elimiation by the fifth the blinds are already 6k. Would you take this kind of offer? No player would.

Illustration: You have a six sided dice. Player A gets two sides, while every other player gets only one. Each player can only roll once. How often do you think players A would win? He's getting 2 to 1 odds on everyone. I would like to see 6 times the hand over everyone else.

After reading some of the stupid replies that came to zeejustins defense i'd like to add this:
Even his own statements contradict his own defense:

Poker is a game where you read people and make moves based on what you read from the players. Why do boxers, football teams, or any other atheletics spend countless hours looking at films of their oppponents? This is to find the weakness and strengths of their opposition. Zeejustin says that he made those other accounts to get rid of his loose image. Ok now lets take a look at that. He's getting a 5% advantage because people don't know how he plays. He's getting another 5% advantage because he knows how the other players play. So that's 10% per turn he's facing someone. In poker even a 3% advantage is huge. Especially in an sng tournament. He's getting these odds on every turn.

Point 2. He points out that other people are tracking him with poker tracker, but he's doing the same thing. His database is 6x more accurate with all the many games he plays with the different alias.

Point 3. This is in his own words and it makes me laugh.
"I have been at the same table as myself. For what it’s worth, my standard protocol has been to increase my number of tables when this happens. As most of you know, I will very rarely be playing fewer than six tables at a time. If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage. With 10 tables open, I just play tight and solid. I can’t even remember the hole cards one account folded after the flop, and I’m certainly unable to pay special attention to that table. After talking to Curtains, I realize my standard play should have been to sit one account out when this happens, but I want to make it clear that I never used collusion to my advantage, never chip dumped, or did anything of the sort. "

You really think he opened 4 or 6 more tables? Ok let's say for the benefit of the doubt he did do what he said. Did it really take off the extra edge? I don't know what screen he's using, but i'm using a WIDE screen laptop with resolution 1280 x 800. If I open 4 tables they still overlap. Now PP has the resize option, but if you do that the screen gets chopy and it's hard to put the cursor on the right scroll to increase the amount of bets. Just try it even when it's resized with 6 tables open. You'll see how difficult everything gets. At the time he won you could not resize the tables. Getting to the point. You really think he's reading players making great plays when the screens are blinking here and there, overlaping everywhere? He's making his decisions based on what pokertracker or his many other software is telling him. So where does opening 4 more tables take off the edge? It's not like he's reading any of the players. He even stated himself that he did not remember the hole cards. So how is he making his decisions? It's whatever the software tells him. Yeah opening 4 more tables really took off the edge. Some great player the computer is making all the decisions for him. From what he had stated he opened 4-6 more tables. So he had 10 tables open..Yeah he's making some tremendous reads..All these tables overlap.

Also i didn't mean that getting having a bankroll to play with makes you a great player. You need some skills. Even a solid player can win the tournament if he gets the right cards at the right time. Even a lucky player can win. Does that mean the lucky player is a great player? I think not! But having a bankroll allows players to develop his skills faster. They can test theories and plays that they normally can't if there was always the possiblities of going broke. You really think players like daniel negraneau, johnny chan, or some of the other greats that won multi titles would be the type of player they are now had they not won the first one? Yes, there is a chance that they still may have become poker greats, but you might not see them having as many titles. If they had lost the first tournament they woud have to go on the grind again and put together another 10k for another entry. Then if they lost the 2nd time..again the same process. 3rd, 4th. You win once, then you getting your entries for 1-50th all set plus your expenses and what not. Otherwise they would have been wasting time grinding it out trying to scape up 10k for every freaking entry!! For most of the year they are not playing tournaments. They are grinding it out on tables trying to get 1, 2, 3, maybe 4 entries per year. Yeah, bankrolls make a huge difference. Some of the pros that write in the book even go on to explain..some of players that i believe had the potential to be great players never get there because they don't have the bankroll. Because of the swings of luck they go broke and often end up going back to their day jobs.

No i'm not jealous. I'm freaking pissed that's all. I could never be jealous of any type of *talent* he might have. I'm a solid player and I know my instincts are good enough to become a great player. I don't rely on computers that do my thinking for me. The reason i'm pissed is because at the time I was planning to build my bankroll through the step higher games. Step higher was one of the hardest games because until level 3 it was all 1st place or nothing...Even on level 4 it was only top two spots. With prizes ranging from 25k-10k. If at anytime I was knocked off because of his cheating ways then I lost a great opportunity to up my game faster.

Someone posted that Lee Jones the director of PS said that they found no evidence of collusion.
They are not going to open up a can of worms and say he colluded. What if every player he knocked out came to PS demanding some kind of compensation because he was found cheating?? Like I said I didn't even know about this till recently and it seems that it's been over a month since this has happened. What if players from the previous tourmanents he had won came up and said. Hey I took 2nd only because he took first. The person who took 3rd says I should have took 2nd, and all the way down the line demanding their money. From first to 1st to 2nd that's 50k difference. From 2nd to 3rd that's 20k. That's 70k right there. Add all the rest. You really think they want to be returning all that to players? They can't prosecute. They can't seize his assets. So where are they going to get the money from. They certainly don't want it coming out of their own pocket. I say all his hand histories they have in their database should become public knowledge. Oh I'd like to add PS gives tournament leaders prize packages. I'm pretty sure he has taken a couple of them. Someone comes up and says he took my spot. I'd like to get paid 10k please. Where would it end if they said he had used some sort of collusion. There are so many people that he has affected just by the number of games he played. It's better to just say we found no evidence of collusion, but will take his money. It will be a great headline " <SPAN>Yeah he was found taking two seats in the sngs, and was found passive playing, stack dumping etc...We have taken the money left in his account, but as for the rest of the 200k he's stolen from players by cheating well he gets to keep that because we cannot prosecute him and seize his assets. We will not be returning what he has stolen to the legitimate players who should have won if not for his cheating ways.</SPAN>" Yeah that will really boost confidence in the site. If they can help it they are going to try to sweep this incident under the rug and hope no one mentions it again.. You know I thought they would at least mention something about zeejustin at PP official site. Considering how recent the cheating event was. You do a search on their search and not even one mention of zeejustin.

Yeah that's real hard work 1 million hands in a year. A man cannot run faster than the speed of light, he cannot fly. Your telling me that he was processing all that information. What is he some kind of super genius? He even said he could not remember his hole cards, so where in the process was he actually playing poker, learning countermoves, etc..His database and poker softwares were telling him what to do. Quantity does not equal Quality. Yes quantity helps if the quality of the information is good, but not if quantity degrades the quality of the information. Having 6-10 tables open what kind of quality information do you think his brain was processing? He was using his computer for the quality information which is more accurate than the human brain.

Also, there is a comment he makes that says "zeejustin was the only account that was ahead all the rest were consistent losers in the long run" So why is it that only zeejustin's account won consistently? Why is it that his other accounts were not winners as well. I mean its the same person with the same *raw talent* right? Is it possible that he didn't care about the rest of his other accounts. He was just using them to boost his zeejustin account whether for bragging rights or to take money out easier. I mean yes he could be taking the money out using his mom, dads or whoevers account. How is he going to be cashing out? Yes he could use neteller what not, but that there is a maximum of 5k per month. If he's going to ask for a check from the sites. You really think he's going to his mom, dad, grandma...look I need you to sign this check for me. They look at it and it's in their name *some bells and whistles*. Think about it. There is a reason why only his main account was the winner. I mean disect his statements..read between the lines..he's making up half baked truths to cover his own ass.</SPAN>

Dude, he always opened 3-4 more SnGs anytime he was multi-accounting. I think we can all agree that negates the cheating aspect.
Case Closed.

Good point!

Good point!

(get it?)

He said he didn't play the same accounts in the same sitngo - I believe party will verify that. I think you are misinterpreting what he did...

lol you obviously keep up with the news......fast forward two months and you're complaining about UB and the upgrade

what month is it man?

do I have to change my name again?

ohh wow I cant believe I read all that. can an admin delete this thread PLEASE - so noone else has to experience this again... I'm pretty sure this topic has been beaten into the ground and is currently about to enter the earths core. We know Zee cheated and we all have a stance/opinion on the issue which we posted 100's of times when this was a hot topic about 14 years ago.. 14 years later we want the topic to GO AWAY..

While you're raging you should goto Germany and tell them anti-semitism is wrong - concentration camps are still in existence, arent they? OHHhh no wait... sorry, that was a while back..

BAM

"Dude, he always opened 3-4 more SnGs anytime he was multi-accounting. I think we can all agree that negates the cheating aspect.
Case Closed".


I thought I was the only one that thought this was friggin hysterical when I was reading his explanation. I was trying to figure out how if he got seated at the same table in a MTT that he would start a bunch of SNGs to negate the advantage. Somehow playing in a bunch of SNGs all of a sudden makes you unable to comprehend 2 hands at the same table.

Last month called. They want their news back.

This just in....

JJProdigy gets caught cheating in the 500K on party!

How do u know he opened more tables? Cos a cheater told u!!!

I read that whole thing and it is still messed up how these guys vouch for that kid. People make fun but the poster has a good point, think off all the careers he ended, dreams and BRs crushed people who could have been feuling the poker economy today. If I really JUST found out about this and he played in my games I'd be just as pissed and want to vent too, so let him vent.

LAGManiac: nice jaerb.