Umm pretty sure the whole series of 2 months 2 million was based on doing this kind of stuff lol. You can't stop it and it can't be proven (unless on video) so theres realyy nothing you can do.

ANYONE who doesnt think this is happening at this very moment is just plain ignorant. It is going on and it'll never stop so please end thread its useless to speak about it

They CLEARLY show this on ESPN every year. Show roommates sharing a summer home and one is playing a tourney while friends watch. are you seriously telling me that NO ONE there influences the player in there decision? COME ON! I dont think personally its a problem to gather with friends and grind it out and talk about the plays and such but if you want to call it cheating than you see it on TV every year. So than I assume many people are cheaters. Im just saying

 

Originally Posted by MarkFSU1

ya but player notes have to be attached by something other than actual name right? isnt there like some computer id assigned to each account or screen name that is the way the sites really track players or player notes...i obv dont know, but if player notes were attached to the player id rather than strictly screen name then it would be nice to be able to change every once in a while

no sense.... the idea is run from notes and table miners... who cares for the beauty of the screenname...

At nosebleed highstakes I can understand it.Not saying I agree.They are like 20 and they play too high.

But in MTT mid-high stakes changing screennames is a must. The only way to fight the table miners that dig all you HH and then share with his friends or even sell it.

 

Originally Posted by lind0

I really don't understand the intensity of the debate on this stuff. Who really cares if two friends want to sit together and talk while one of them plays online poker? 99.9% of the time neither one is world class, and most of the time neither of them is even good at all. Online poker isn't live poker, I don't know why we keep trying to govern it with the principle of one player to a hand. Everone needs to just understand that an online opponent might be more than one person, that's just all there is to it.

And as was said, we should also allow everyone to change names whenever they want. You don't really need to know who you're playing against unless you play for super high stakes. That would solve half the problems.

Basically, a bunch of people just don't want to play without their tracking software, and they get all crazy when they might not be playing against the stat profile they think they are. I think those programs are a far bigger problem for online poker than two donkeys joining forces to create a super donkey. You could never have all that information by just observing, and that's an equally unrealistic edge as letting two people work together. I say let's force people to adapt to what's happening based on what they see right now in this moment.

So accept what you're up against, and let's just get it on! When you sit down, just assume you're up against all kinds of shit. Some of your opponents will be rooms of people working together, some will be two idiots working together, some will be a good player coaching a friend, some of them will be world class, and most of them will be total donkeys.

If two guys want to sit and combine their thoughts, bring it. If someone wants to switch off to a world class friend, bring it. If someone wants to use tracking software, I don't agree with it, but still bring it. It's time to grow a sack and just beat these people. If you're that worried about it, create your own super donkey.

well said ¨¨ we need to fight for our rights !! CHANGING SCREENNAMES NOW !!

 

Originally Posted by lind0

I really don't understand the intensity of the debate on this stuff. Who really cares if two friends want to sit together and talk while one of them plays online poker? 99.9% of the time neither one is world class, and most of the time neither of them is even good at all. Online poker isn't live poker, I don't know why we keep trying to govern it with the principle of one player to a hand. Everone needs to just understand that an online opponent might be more than one person, that's just all there is to it.

And as was said, we should also allow everyone to change names whenever they want. You don't really need to know who you're playing against unless you play for super high stakes. That would solve half the problems.

Basically, a bunch of people just don't want to play without their tracking software, and they get all crazy when they might not be playing against the stat profile they think they are. I think those programs are a far bigger problem for online poker than two donkeys joining forces to create a super donkey. You could never have all that information by just observing, and that's an equally unrealistic edge as letting two people work together. I say let's force people to adapt to what's happening based on what they see right now in this moment.

So accept what you're up against, and let's just get it on! When you sit down, just assume you're up against all kinds of shit. Some of your opponents will be rooms of people working together, some will be two idiots working together, some will be a good player coaching a friend, some of them will be world class, and most of them will be total donkeys.

If two guys want to sit and combine their thoughts, bring it. If someone wants to switch off to a world class friend, bring it. If someone wants to use tracking software, I don't agree with it, but still bring it. It's time to grow a sack and just beat these people. If you're that worried about it, create your own super donkey.

I'm sorry but this is way off. All pros (including mid stake grinders) make hundreds of decisions daily based precisely on who they're playing against. I don't think there's much argument to the contrary.

You guys nitpick the one objectionable sentence while completely ignoring what lind0 was getting at. IMO they were making a good point.

Everyone at some point has played at a friends house and asked others for opinions.... Anyone who says otherwise is fos

All the ghosting and MA'ing that goes on deep in tourneys is what made me quit playing MTTs and move to cash games full time. I still face collusion and MA'ing but its much less likely I run into a world class ghost/backer at middle limit cash games than it is at a mid stakes mtt ft with decent money on the line.

 

Originally Posted by Gags30

it's clearly cheating...

just because something can't be monitored does not mean that it's 'perfectly fine'...it's still against the rules

 

Originally Posted by nicelybaked

Oh really!! So one could assume that you agree that people talking on messenger,skype or the telephone colluding together is ok because it can't be monitored.....GTFO D-Bag

Its from stars mouth themselves fellas, email and ask them yourself if you dont believe. The respone they gave me is that they 'wish' their players didnt but as it cannot and never will be able to be monitored they dont specifically have a defining rule against it.

Hello Matt,

Thank you for contacting us.

Sorry for the misunderstanding; ghosting is not against the rules, and we
would not prohibit it even if it were detectable.

Poker is a social game for many players, and we have no intention or desire
of cracking down on a couple of players who chat about hands when they are
deep in a tournament or similar. We do not accept the assertion that
'ghosting' gives players an unfair advantage.

If you have any further questions, please let us know, and thank you for
making pokerstars your choice for online poker.

Regards,

Silvia F.
PokerStars Support Team

 

Originally Posted by rayfox111

Thats a disgrace, to say they dont mind ghosting is ridiculous.
Its an open invite for a good player to multiaccount using other players as stooges.

i'm pretty sure if they found out this was happening they could interpret it as multi-accounting. there's always loopholes in legal speak that will stop people doing things deliberately to aviod rules