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Is this check too risky? Plz help!

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  1. Jeezy 88 Jeezy 88 is offline

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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 6:15am)

    pokerstars Game #60451740439: Tournament #383070916, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/04/07 1:09:22 ET
    Table '383070916 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: chechnia (1805 in chips)
    Seat 2: nachochips32 (2310 in chips)
    Seat 3: Jeezy 88 (1575 in chips)
    Seat 4: Turk23 (3005 in chips)
    Seat 6: staffnutz (1650 in chips)
    Seat 7: Sky11X (960 in chips)
    Seat 9: Slickstur (2195 in chips)
    chechnia: posts small blind 15
    nachochips32: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Jeezy 88 [7c 7h]
    gangst_griz [observer] said, "gl anyways gg"
    Jeezy 88: calls 30
    Turk23: folds
    staffnutz: raises 90 to 120
    Sky11X: folds
    Slickstur: folds
    chechnia: folds
    nachochips32: folds
    Jeezy 88: calls 90
    *** FLOP *** [5d 2h 7d]
    Jeezy 88: checks
    staffnutz: bets 150
    Jeezy 88: calls 150
    *** TURN *** [5d 2h 7d] [Jd]
    Jeezy 88: checks
    staffnutz: checks
    *** RIVER *** [5d 2h 7d Jd] [9s]
    Jeezy 88: checks
    staffnutz: bets 150
    Jeezy 88: raises 570 to 720
    staffnutz: calls 570
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Jeezy 88: shows [7c 7h] (three of a kind, Sevens)
    staffnutz: shows [Ks Kh] (a pair of Kings)
    Jeezy 88 collected 2025 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2025 | Rake 0
    Board [5d 2h 7d Jd 9s]
    Seat 1: chechnia (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: nachochips32 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: Jeezy 88 showed [7c 7h] and won (2025) with three of a kind, Sevens
    Seat 4: Turk23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: staffnutz showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
    Seat 7: Sky11X folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Slickstur (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    I guess I am wondering if you think it is profitable here to check on the river? I feel like in the long run it is better to bet it for value upfront and hope he raises. I did plan though to raise enough to get paid off well though. That was my plan. What do you think? Thanks!
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 6:37am) in reply to Jeezy 88

    I might or might not check raise the turn or check call trying to disguise. I would actually lean out towards betting the flop as I am OOP. Probably shouldn't have shown results though, since makes it easier for me to assume the villain would have raised your bet on the flop to either put you all-in or to allow you to be all-in easier on the turn.

    I am definitely not checking this turn, as the flush and a few straight draws are now on the board.

    As played, I bet the river to get value out of the hand. I can see the villain checking behind with most holdings, in this case you got a bet out of him and raised it.
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Apr 7th, 2011 at 05:29 PM
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 7:34am) in reply to wackyJaxon

    I checked the turn because I wasn't too afraid he had a diamond. If he did, maybe it would pair the board. Betting out on the flop is not a way to induce a bluff though. And does position really matter that much considering I am putting him on a high pair or AK/AQ, so hes pretty much drawing dead...?
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 7:36am) in reply to Jeezy 88

     
    Originally Posted by Jeezy 88 View Post

    I checked the turn because I wasn't too afraid he had a diamond. If he did, maybe it would pair the board. Betting out on the flop is not a way to induce a bluff though. And does position really matter that much considering I am putting him on a high pair or AK/AQ, so hes pretty much drawing dead...?

    If you c-bet alot of flops, betting the flop is a good way to induce a bluff. Its also a good way to get value on any over-pairs he might have. Might not be optimal, but does set you up for potentially grabbing all his chips. Curious to see other comments on the flop and turn in particular.
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 8:48am) in reply to rivverkiller

    As soon as that flop hits I want to get all the chips in the middle. So on the flop I'd either lead out for around 3/4 pot or check/raise. If it's a player that cbets frequently, I'd probably lean towards a check/raise.

    At the $11 buy-in level I'm not too worried about folding out AK/AQ type hands because a lot of players seem very reluctant to let go on boards like that. Some players would even shove AK over a check/raise there. If he has total air then you're not getting paid much anyway unless you get lucky and he pairs an overcard.

    Basically though, I think you lost a lot of value in the hand. I know it's easy to say that having seen the results, but flopping the world and checking it on all three streets, only raising the river is not optimal imo. On the many occasions villain has an overpair, a lead or check/raise could very well get it all in on the flop, or set you up to get it in on the turn/river.

    In terms of your question, I think you should be looking at how you played the flop/turn more so than how you played the river. You could have built a much bigger pot.
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 1:26pm) in reply to tiltpokernow

    idk....u flopped top set and checked every street...seems pretty passive to me, u were lucky to get a raise out of him on the river otherwise u would have totally value owned yourself, a lot of players would have just called ur river bet and you end up winning a smallish pot with a set!!
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 4:41pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    Wacky,

    You're right. Thanks for your help, man.
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    Apr 10th, 2011 (4/10/2011 12:53am) in reply to wackyJaxon

     
    Originally Posted by wackyJaxon View Post

    I might or might not check raise the turn or check call trying to disguise. I would actually lean out towards betting the flop as I am OOP. Probably shouldn't have shown results though, since makes it easier for me to assume the villain would have raised your bet on the flop to either put you all-in or to allow you to be all-in easier on the turn.

    I am definitely not checking this turn, as the flush and a few straight draws are now on the board.

    As played, I bet the river to get value out of the hand. I can see the villain checking behind with most holdings, in this case you got a bet out of him and raised it.

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    lead or check raise flop; most people dont iso limpers at low blinds with crap - u said yourself u put him on a high pair; the problem with the flush or 4 way lfush getting there is not only that he can have the diamond; but it s u wont get any money form him when he doesnt; so the diamonds might scare both of u that s why u should try to get it in before river
    Edited By: luckierno7 Apr 10th, 2011 at 12:55 AM
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