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Chip Dumping??

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  1. JWeb777 JWeb777 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 6:55pm)

    In the $35+3 on UB. Does this appear to be chip dumping??

    Hand #39707701-49 at Wed7pm5KBounty-003 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Started at 14/Feb/07 19:52:20

    Pitstop1099 is at seat 0 with 1835.
    OMFGplzFLD is at seat 1 with 2940.
    callandlearn is at seat 2 with 2345.
    Stuey Unger is at seat 3 with 1855.
    hellmuthclon is at seat 4 with 4365.
    cooper667 is at seat 5 with 710.
    KLA rebels is at seat 6 with 2310.
    ManuelNoriega is at seat 7 with 3940.
    hockeyfan428 is at seat 8 with 590.
    snake5970 is at seat 9 with 1950.
    The button is at seat 3.

    hellmuthclon posts the small blind of 30.
    cooper667 posts the big blind of 60.

    Pitstop1099: -- --
    OMFGplzFLD: 2d Kc
    callandlearn: -- --
    Stuey Unger: -- --
    hellmuthclon: -- --
    cooper667: -- --
    KLA rebels: -- --
    ManuelNoriega: -- --
    hockeyfan428: -- --
    snake5970: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    KLA rebels raises to 210. ManuelNoriega folds.
    hockeyfan428 folds. snake5970 folds. Pitstop1099
    folds. OMFGplzFLD folds. callandlearn folds.
    Stuey Unger folds. hellmuthclon folds. cooper667
    re-raises to 660    . KLA rebels calls.

    After the pre flop raise cooper leaves himself with 50 chips left.

    Flop (board: 6c 3c Td):

    cooper667 checks. KLA rebels bets 60. cooper667
    folds    . KLA rebels is returned 60 (uncalled).

    He folded with 1350 in the pot and not even 1 big blind left. He was getting 27-1 on his last 50 chips.

    Hand #39707701-49 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    KLA rebels wins 1350.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
     
  2. VanGeleon VanGeleon is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 7:46pm) in reply to JWeb777

    TBO, without further information and background between players its always hard to tell, however at first glance and considering its a tournament id say no. The player may have simply been trying to push the player out of pot and failed. folding before his losses became larger, but like i said you'd need more than just a single event/hand to detirmine if they were playing together.

    Usualy a chipdump is used in cash games in order to launder money, bankroll a friend, or commit cc fraud, collusion throughout tournaments usualy result in harder to spot team play, where by one player will bully the field allowing the other player to wipe up or just to help each others bankroll at a sustaintable level increasing both or one players chance to win.

    Cheers
  3. selura selura is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 7:53pm) in reply to JWeb777

    You need way, way more than just this hand to accuse someone of chip dumping. This could have easily been one of these:

    1. misclick
    2. preflop resteal gone wrong and he decided he was done with the hand

    Not saying it's impossible this was dumping, but I wouldn't put too much stock into this one hand.
  4. Faaantastic Faaantastic is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 8:05pm) in reply to JWeb777

    cooper667 is at seat 5 with 710.
    KLA rebels is at seat 6 with 2310.

    cooper667
    re-raises to 660.

    cooper667 checks. KLA rebels bets 60. cooper667
    folds.

    I'd say YES

    but hard to really prove, and idk what UB does to check it out
  5. selura selura is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 8:11pm) in reply to Faaantastic

    Wow I didn't look at the chip counts close enough until you just pointed them out Faaan. It's still very possible it's just an accident. I've folded to short stack all ins like this while not paying enough attention multitabling. It's just so obvious that it makes me think it's an accident. I mean are people really dumb enough to chip dump and make it this obvious. It is enough to be suspicious though I do agree with that.
  6. Llama88 Llama88 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 8:42pm) in reply to JWeb777

    i didnt read it right, but this may or may not be chip dumping, i feel that the guy who wins the pot actually has a hand, and if they were actually chip dumping they would wait blind vs blind if everyone folded to them because it would be easier. Was there any history between them before this? or did he time out or misclick? it seems common for people to call the reraise with 1bb left and then move there last chips in on the flop. but the check fold seems very very odd, i would be very skeptical of this.
  7. bassmaster bassmaster is offline SCAMMER - DO NOT TRADE

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 9:00pm) in reply to Llama88

    My guess is Cooper is a moron. He bets 660 with 710 chips then folds. Umm ok.
  8. JWeb777 JWeb777 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 9:05pm) in reply to Llama88

    Cooper raised preflop leaving himself 50 chips behind, and then check folded the flop.
     
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  9. VanGeleon VanGeleon is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 10:55pm) in reply to JWeb777

    I could be wrong, but couldnt he have timed out and had the system check-fold him, would it be apparent if he lost connection or was afk?
  10. SmellyFingas SmellyFingas is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 11:12pm) in reply to JWeb777

    i bet he was being a dick and not givin that guy his bounty
  11. JWeb777 JWeb777 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2007 (2/14/2007 11:28pm) in reply to VanGeleon

    Yes, it would be apparent if he timed out. At which point I wouldn't have made this post.
     
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  12. haleike haleike is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 6:59am) in reply to SmellyFingas

    I seriously doubt it is chip dumping. It is certainly an odd play considering it only cost 50 chips to call. The small amount of chips involved would lend me to believe it is not.
  13. Wiscomurray Wiscomurray is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 9:41am) in reply to haleike

    its as simple as this. It was a bounty tournament. He simply didnt feel like giving his bounty up for that guy. Weve all done that.
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