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  1. The ChAOS! The ChAOS! is offline

    Alexis, IL
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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 12:52am)

    Don't have any solid proof.....first hand of sit n go..I know it's small stakes but all the same...cheating is cheating...I have never accused anyone of this but everyone else protested before I said even had time to realize ( was chatting on the phone with my g/f)....this seems just incomprehensible, even for a fish

    pokerstars Game #7070379367: Tournament #36123187, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/11/18 - 01:47:11 (ET)
    Table '36123187 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: gr187 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 2: mrine2000 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 3: nocatch (1500 in chips)
    Seat 4: farmerpete (1500 in chips)
    Seat 5: SoonerWill1 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 6: NOLUCK4ME2 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 7: acehighdro (1500 in chips)
    Seat 8: thebeasters (1500 in chips)
    Seat 9: niklasgj (1500 in chips)
    mrine2000: posts small blind 10
    nocatch: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to thebeasters [2s 6s]
    farmerpete: folds
    SoonerWill1: calls 20
    NOLUCK4ME2: folds
    acehighdro: folds
    thebeasters: folds
    niklasgj: folds
    gr187: folds
    mrine2000: calls 10
    nocatch: checks
    *** FLOP *** [5d 5c 6c]
    mrine2000: checks
    nocatch: bets 100
    SoonerWill1: raises 100 to 200
    mrine2000: folds
    nocatch: calls 100
    *** TURN *** [5d 5c 6c] [3c]
    nocatch: bets 200
    SoonerWill1: calls 200
    *** RIVER *** [5d 5c 6c 3c] [6h]
    nocatch: bets 1080 and is all-in
    SoonerWill1: calls 1080 and is all-in
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    nocatch: shows [2d 9c] (two pair, Sixes and Fives)
    SoonerWill1: shows [5h Ah] (a full house, Fives full of Sixes)
    SoonerWill1 collected 3020 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3020 | Rake 0
    Board [5d 5c 6c 3c 6h]
    Seat 1: gr187 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: mrine2000 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: nocatch (big blind) showed [2d 9c] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Fives
    Seat 4: farmerpete folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: SoonerWill1 showed [5h Ah] and won (3020) with a full house, Fives full of Sixes
    Seat 6: NOLUCK4ME2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: acehighdro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: thebeasters folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: niklasgj folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. iMsoLucky0 iMsoLucky0 is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 12:55am) in reply to The ChAOS!

    There is absolutely no sign of colluding here. The guy decided to donk it up with 29 and ran into a big hand.

    I can't even see what advantage there would be for 2 players to play a SNG and dump their chips to each other first hand.

    Take off your hat.
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  3. SchruteRules SchruteRules is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 12:58am) in reply to iMsoLucky0

    You had me at

    Don't have any solid proof
  4. tythefly tythefly is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 1:44am) in reply to The ChAOS!

    kidding me? just donkeys
  5. Askesis_ Askesis_ is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 1:59am) in reply to The ChAOS!

    Why in the hell would someone chip dump on the first hand of a SNG?

    If that's the case, then GOOD! It's much easier to beat one person with double chips than two people with average chips working together
     
  6. perma_tilt perma_tilt is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 2:05am) in reply to Askesis_

    nocatch is a total donk i played with him prior and seen worse beleive it or not
    just next time watch for your chance to double up early before someone elsedoes
  7. tilterstom tilterstom is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 5:00am) in reply to perma_tilt

    chip dumping at any point of a sng is -ev. please tell me one situation where its positive ev to dump to someone else in a sng if you are working together. only spot where it could even be argued even slightly would be 5 handed, both have less than 700 chips and all other players above 3k, then you can argue that if you dump your chips to the other guy he has a realistic shot at making the money while alone you will both probably be picked off unless you win two all ins when you will have to be pushing marginal hands.

    Now in a mtt where you are both in the money already and one player is on a short stack and likely to go out soon anyways, since the pay increases are so small at the levels outside the final table it could definitely pay off to say dump your chips to an avg stack who is a friend with say 20 or so people left if you are 1/3 avg or so. but even then its definitel argueable.

    Chip dumping 1st hand of a sng is definitely the worst spot to do so, even if you get 5k when its 7 handed in a sng it doesn't even guarantee the money, let alone winning the whole thing. you would be much better off just coluding the whole time and both being in near the end so you can take each others blinds to stay alive.
  8. acecatcher26 acecatcher26 is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 6:28am) in reply to tilterstom

    If the guy calls I might see it, but he shoved on a bluff. I dont see it here.
  9. The ChAOS! The ChAOS! is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 12:09pm) in reply to iMsoLucky0

    Like I said, I wasn't accusing him, I was just a bit curoius at what you guys thought about it. The advantage in low stakes sit n go's from my experience, is the ability to play more marginal hands and try to gain even more chips and crack better hands in multi way pots, which is exactly what happened, I know it's not a huge advantage, but in low stakes it can be from just my personal experience. For the record, he finished 3rd, me second, and gr 1st. Probably doesn't help much at all. Maybe I'm naive, but having twice as many chips as your opponents after the first hand seems like at worst a slight advantage...Anyway, thanks for the input....I have never seemed something so bad, even on party..

    Hey lucky, doing a lot of calculus lately (sine?)...;-)
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  10. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 12:11pm) in reply to acecatcher26

    Worst cheaters ever?
  11. gbmantis gbmantis is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 12:39pm) in reply to jtown1010

    jordan is bad at spelling. and life.
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  12. Askesis_ Askesis_ is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 12:40pm) in reply to The ChAOS!

    In general, yes, haaving more chips than your opponents

    BUT

    Having two players WORKING TOGETHER with the same number of chips as their opponents is a bigger advantage than a sinle player with double chips
     
  13. No1CeLtSfAn34 No1CeLtSfAn34 is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 12:52pm) in reply to The ChAOS!

    The only thing he is guilty of his making a move at the wrong time. Other than that he did nothing wrong. He was trying to represent the boat, but the guy unfortunately had a boat of his own.
  14. pegs13 pegs13 is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2006 (11/18/2006 12:54pm) in reply to No1CeLtSfAn34

    you should have called, how can you fold 2,6???
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