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  1. TheOmaholic TheOmaholic is offline

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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:38pm)

    Kirk Morrison Wins Crazy Hand
    Kirk Morrison limps from middle position and Can Kim Hua raises to $100,000 on the button. Thomas Wahlroos calls from the big blind and the flop comes 875. Wahlroos leads out $200,000 and Morrison flat calls. Hua re-raises to $600,000, Wahlroos folds and Morrison goes all in. While Hua contemplates Morrison flips his hand over exposing 87 stating he had thought Hua had called. The dealer says he didn't hear it and even though Wahlroos and Morrison insist he did, the floor goes with the dealer. Hua now goes into the tank after seeing Morrison's cards. Wahlroos calls the clock on Hua and he finally folds 99. Morrison now has 2.9 million, Whalroos 1.84 million and Hua $400,000.

    I believe he probably said call, since two people confirmed it. No way he's folding for 400k with 7/11 of his chips in the pot getting a billion to 1. Bad ruling by floor.
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:40pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    I was like WTF they is no way he was going to fold with only 400k left when the pot had like 1.6 million in it. I agree is prolly did say call cuz that makes way more sense then what actually happened
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:40pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    Even more so if he takes that long to fold his hand after actually SEEING the cards u think he was going to fold if they werent exposed. hmmmm im a 65 / 35 dog... yeh ill fold.
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:41pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    genius fold anyway
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:44pm) in reply to mattg1983

    matt, you're probably being sarcastic because he was getting about 4.5 to 1 on his money and only like a 70/30 dog or so (math?). But he still had room to fold, b/c 400k chips and only 10k 20k blinds, so 20 BB more than workable.

    The next hand he doubled up with AJ v. AK apparently, so now back up to 800. If he wins the tournament, he deserves to be fucking hung
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:45pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    actually just ran it. 62 / 38
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:46pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    If you are getting 4.5 to 1 as a (edit) 62 38 dog you are a moron to fold even if you would still have a million big blinds

    I cant believe a 'pro' would fold this.
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:49pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    ya shear stupidity on his part, plus he prolly did say call and if so the dishonesty is not kool
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:49pm) in reply to ill flu

    I disagree completely. It's not a cash game. Not all tournament situations can be rationalized strictly by pot odds.

    Edit: I'm not saying he definately shouldn't call, just that neither decision would be "incorrect"
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:53pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    i would never ever fold there
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:53pm) in reply to mattg1983

    doesn't mean a fold isn't correct matt
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:54pm) in reply to Randers

    lol f off

    if i witness randers fold in a spot similar to this I will put a bullet in my head
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:55pm) in reply to Caleb2004

    u guys arent considering that he never said call. If i dont call n i see the other guy has 78 im folding. one double up n u got a million.
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:56pm) in reply to Simm0nS777

    thats a way better plan than just playing for 2 mill now
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:57pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    If Hua didn't say call and only two players on the table say he did, he shouldn't be bashed for using the information he had to fold his hand.

    And Omahalic is dead on that despite getting the proper pot odds to call, it's not a must-call situation based on the tournament structure.
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:59pm) in reply to mattg1983

    yeh i think the point really is that he prob said call. I mean if he folds in that spot getting those odds after actually knowing what his opponents cards are i see no way how he could fold if he didnt see the hand exposed. Without it being exposed one would think the slight chance of being ahead there as well.
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:59pm) in reply to mattg1983

    imho saving 400k at 10/20k is completely justifiable considering the structure.
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 8:59pm) in reply to marinersheep

    4 to 1 as 1.5 to 1 dog folding is wrong
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:01pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    I'm sure morrison is glad Hua folded there, because Hua made a mistake, and calling would've been correct. Turns out accidentally flipping his hand was a plus.
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:03pm) in reply to Randers

    I think that is a ridiculous statement. If you were barely barely getting the right price I could understand but you are getting a GREAT price to call here, it isnt even close. I understand your point that pot odds isnt everything but these odds are way too big to ignore regardless of how good (slow) the structure is.
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:04pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    he may be a cheater but he has made alot of money, if you don't believe me just watch his video
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:05pm) in reply to mattg1983

    dont bother.

    Obv there are situations in tournaments where u pass up spots where you're getting good pot odds for more favorable conditions..but this isnt even close to a fold imo.
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:06pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    i've seen him limp call a 4th bet preflop with AJo in a wsop event for his entire stack midway through a tourney.

    He *CK* doesn't care about pot odds

    edit: fwiw
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:07pm) in reply to Cuthroat187

    ur right i dont believe u
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:08pm) in reply to mattg1983

    Yes but at the same time u never truly "know" ur opponents hand and while u base ur call on odds there is also the edge of being ahead when u make marginal or close pot odds call. In this case you obv truly "know" the situation as being behind. I dunno if its such an "easy" call and put a bullet in my head if i dont call there situation. I understand its about the math of the game but I still think you could argue with that structure its not a 100% call. Online you could be at 20k 40k in just a couple mins and then be shoving any 2 very soon but i dont think you can look past the fact of playing this deep even 20+bbs is enough when there could be and hour + of this particular level and the next as well
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:14pm) in reply to Randers

    matt, if you think hua's fold is bad, check this out from the $25 freezeout on stars just now

    pokerstars Game #9607981621: Tournament #48311199, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/25 - 21:10:48 (ET)
    Table '48311199 134' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: PokerSkill (4265 in chips)
    Seat 2: natejohn (3345 in chips)
    Seat 3: The Omaholic (4153 in chips)
    Seat 4: maulyurchips (1337 in chips)
    Seat 5: locust1000 (6265 in chips)
    Seat 6: seejper (5660 in chips)
    Seat 7: david tuttle (1200 in chips)
    Seat 8: karter80 (2360 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: KyTroyD403 (4445 in chips)
    karter80: posts small blind 75
    KyTroyD403: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to The Omaholic [5d 5h]
    PokerSkill: folds
    natejohn: folds
    The Omaholic: calls 150
    maulyurchips: folds
    locust1000: folds
    seejper: calls 150
    david tuttle: folds
    karter80: folds
    KyTroyD403: checks
    *** FLOP *** [6d 2h 5c]
    KyTroyD403: checks
    The Omaholic: bets 300
    seejper: calls 300
    KyTroyD403: folds
    *** TURN *** [6d 2h 5c] [2c]
    The Omaholic: checks
    seejper: bets 300
    The Omaholic: raises 750 to 1050
    karter80 has returned
    seejper: raises 1950 to 3000
    The Omaholic: raises 703 to 3703 and is all-in
    seejper: folds
    The Omaholic collected 7125 from pot
    The Omaholic: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 7125 | Rake 0
    Board [6d 2h 5c 2c]
    Seat 1: PokerSkill folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: natejohn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: The Omaholic collected (7125)
    Seat 4: maulyurchips folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: locust1000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: seejper folded on the Turn
    Seat 7: david tuttle (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: karter80 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: KyTroyD403 (big blind) folded on the Flop
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:17pm) in reply to Micdiddy

    No way. If your on the side as wanting Hua to call because he is getting odds you cant on the other side say morrison doesnt want a call when he is actually more than a 60 40 fav. If hua is playing to win even when behind gambling for a big stack obv the same has to go for morrison. Its not a double standard here. If your for Hua calling becuase of the odds I dont see how you can say good thing for morrison he folded when morrison is ahead. Thats just ridiculous
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:17pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    There is no one correct way to play a poker tournament or situation. If you think you can get more equity through stealing/better spots later on, folding isn't incorrect there.

    But I would call there, ESPECIALLY if I saw he had two pair.

    Also you guys are assuming that he actually had 99 and didn't just say that and whoever is reporting took it as fact without seeing the cards.
     
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:19pm) in reply to FiGMan

    no u need to rethink that
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    Apr 25th, 2007 (4/25/2007 9:20pm) in reply to TheOmaholic

    Nice brag post, Mark.
     
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