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common low stakes spot... idk what to do?

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  1. WHATL3Y WHATL3Y is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 2:56pm)

    I usually play low stakes mtt's (not really any >$20) and always seem to go up against some weird play like this and never can tell if its just nuts every time, bluff every time, or variation of the two just player dependent. I usually find when i call this spot it is nuts but sometimes villain is holding a really weak top pair or something. idk i would just like some input from some low stakes sickos that see stuff like this every once in a while and what they do in these spots. thanks

    <span>pokerstars Game #31891692392: Tournament #187197125, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/08/21 14:46:44 ET</span>

    Table '187197125 87' 9-max Seat #7 is the button

    Seat 1: Mosbart (13282 in chips)

    Seat 2: ROSSI 0404 (660 in chips)

    Seat 3: Pokerfacesie (5455 in chips)

    Seat 4: kinies (13360 in chips)

    Seat 5: LionEd (6453 in chips)

    Seat 6: WHATL3Y (9950 in chips)

    Seat 7: mimosajane (10225 in chips)

    Seat 8: kost65 (6425 in chips)

    Seat 9: Phara08 (4775 in chips)

    Mosbart: posts the ante 25

    ROSSI 0404: posts the ante 25

    Pokerfacesie: posts the ante 25

    kinies: posts the ante 25

    LionEd: posts the ante 25

    WHATL3Y: posts the ante 25

    mimosajane: posts the ante 25

    kost65: posts the ante 25

    Phara08: posts the ante 25

    kost65: posts small blind 125

    Phara08: posts big blind 250

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to WHATL3Y [Kh Ah]

    Mosbart: folds

    ROSSI 0404: folds

    Pokerfacesie: calls 250

    kinies: folds

    LionEd: folds

    WHATL3Y: raises 520 to 770

    mimosajane: folds

    kost65: folds

    Phara08: folds

    Pokerfacesie: calls 520

    *** FLOP *** [9c Jh 2d]

    Pokerfacesie: checks

    WHATL3Y: checks

    *** TURN *** [9c Jh 2d] [Ad]

    Pokerfacesie: bets 4660 and is all-in

    WHATL3Y....???
  2. deckeriv deckeriv is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 3:20pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

    I don't know why you didn't cbet that board. While there wasn't any flush draws on the flop you could get value from a str8 draw and tens and maybe eights. When you checked, he just took the pot away from you. He's an idiot to spew risk so many chips but he could have any type of combo draw like a pair and a flush draw with that turn. Often it's an Ax two pair type of hand where the villain is just pretty poor post flop and scared so he overbets the pot. Learn which boards to cbet and why and it will make your turn decisions easier.
  3. Rev.K Rev.K is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 3:28pm) in reply to deckeriv

    You call. He flips A-2, you spike a K on the river.

    Easy game.
  4. Defndrofangels Defndrofangels is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 3:34pm) in reply to Rev.K

     
    Originally Posted by Rev.K View Post

    You call. He flips A-2, you spike a K on the river.

    Easy game.

    lol.
  5. a.cabrera08 a.cabrera08 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 3:36pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

    I play low stakes mtts 2 and its pretty obvious that he is trying to take advantage of the fact that you checked on the flop and he is trying to scare you off and steal the pot by representing the Ace.....you should have shoved over top and I guarantee u he woulda snap folded....he prolly already clicked the check/fold button lol
  6. JRoth15 JRoth15 is online now

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 3:39pm) in reply to a.cabrera08

     
    Originally Posted by a.cabrera08 View Post

    you should have shoved over top and I guarantee u he woulda snap folded....he prolly already clicked the check/fold button lol

    unfortunately, villain open shoved the turn and is all-in
  7. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 3:43pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

    I play these $5 games, and this is a call almost every time.

    People overbet huge hands, but you'd be amazed how often this is something like KK/QQ more than a huge hand. It could be 2 pair or a set, but your usually ahead here.

    I think you call, and if he has you, he has you.
  8. Bigchip79 Bigchip79 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 3:45pm) in reply to lordxixor101

     
    Originally Posted by lordxixor101 View Post

    I play these $5 games, and this is a call every time.

    People overbet huge hands, but you'd be amazed how often this is something like KK/QQ more than a huge hand. It could be 2 pair or a set, but your usually ahead here.

    I think you call, and if he has you, he has you.

    fyp
  9. cotchery89 cotchery89 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 4:00pm) in reply to Bigchip79

    call and be happy that the early stages of a $5 mtt on stars require no thought process what so ever
    466 
  10. crf250rider04 crf250rider04 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 4:10pm) in reply to deckeriv

     
    Originally Posted by deckeriv View Post

    I don't know why you didn't cbet that board. While there wasn't any flush draws on the flop you could get value from a str8 draw and tens and maybe eights. When you checked, he just took the pot away from you. He's an idiot to spew risk so many chips but he could have any type of combo draw like a pair and a flush draw with that turn. Often it's an Ax two pair type of hand where the villain is just pretty poor post flop and scared so he overbets the pot. Learn which boards to cbet and why and it will make your turn decisions easier.

    why would you c/bet that flop in hopes of getting value from 8s or 10s when you only have A high on the flop
  11. Etrain99 Etrain99 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 4:11pm) in reply to lordxixor101

     
    Originally Posted by lordxixor101 View Post

    I play these $5 games, and this is a call almost every time.

    People overbet huge hands, but you'd be amazed how often this is something like KK/QQ more than a huge hand. It could be 2 pair or a set, but your usually ahead here.

    I think you call, and if he has you, he has you.

    im confused
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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 4:16pm) in reply to crf250rider04

     
    Originally Posted by crf250rider04 View Post

    why would you c/bet that flop in hopes of getting value from 8s or 10s when you only have A high on the flop

    obv cause you will hit by the river, of course.
  13. WHATL3Y WHATL3Y is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 4:35pm) in reply to deckeriv

    i guess i didnt c-bet cause i had been c-betting every flop when i open and pretty sure i had a pretty lag image at that point, and also i feel like that flop hit his range by flat/flatting the blind and my raise (JTs, QJ, KJ, AJ).. i guess i feel like he's flatting a c-bet with any pair hes holding (88+), and either flat/raising with any J or set which fits his range imo pretty well. so i guess i felt like the most profitable play in this spot would be to see a free card... i mean i may be well off here, obv by c-betting i would get all the info i needed for the hand, but given my perceived image i guess i felt it would be better to check. but i think im def c-betting most of the time just wanted to know what you guys are doing given the way it was played
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  14. crf250rider04 crf250rider04 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 4:38pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

    i dont like cbetting that flop..i like your check, i dont think hes folding any pair on that flop esp. since you say you have been cbetting every hand..and you shouldnt be cbetting for info..your either bluffing or value betting
  15. riverdrowns riverdrowns is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 4:40pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

    cbet is fine but youre almost never getting called by anything you beat. turn is a very easy call.
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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 5:03pm) in reply to riverdrowns

    I bet flop fwiw as played snap call turn
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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 5:20pm) in reply to clubkiller

    snap it off
     
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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 5:27pm) in reply to riverdrowns

    Villian either has A2, A9, or he slo played KJ and doesn't wanna play the hand out in fear that you have caught the ace on the turn.

    I would insta call for what it's worth, but in this instance I'm sure he flippd over A2.
  19. WHATL3Y WHATL3Y is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 5:38pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

    alright cool, well thanks for the input.. fwiw here's the results of the hand.. i dont think im ever folding here the way it was played either, just making sure i had a few heads that said the same so i knew it wasnt like a leak or something

    WHATL3Y: calls 4660

    *** RIVER *** [9c Jh 2d Ad] [3s]

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    Pokerfacesie: shows [Ac Js] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)

    WHATL3Y: shows [Kh Ah] (a pair of Aces)

    Pokerfacesie collected 11460 from pot

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 11460 | Rake 0

    Board [9c Jh 2d Ad 3s]

    Seat 1: Mosbart folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 2: ROSSI 0404 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 3: Pokerfacesie showed [Ac Js] and won (11460) with two pair, Aces and Jacks

    Seat 4: kinies folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 5: LionEd folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 6: WHATL3Y showed [Kh Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces

    Seat 7: mimosajane (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 8: kost65 (small blind) folded before Flop

    Seat 9: Phara08 (big blind) folded before Flop
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  20. Zota15 Zota15 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 5:57pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

    I probably raise a little more pre.
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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 7:05pm) in reply to riverdrowns

    snap call and win if youo lose to some crappy 2p or set just fire up another micro tourney...nuff said
     
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