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  1. Wheres My Kiss Wheres My Kiss is offline

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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 12:03am)

    Once again I am not sure, but for whatever reason either I am not posting the hands right or Mere won't allow me to have a much easier time for discussions. Anyways, I was playing in a tournament today and got myself into a spot that I thought I would get a fold, but dude made a weird play.

    I raised UTG+1 with AsQc to 625 (Starting Stack 7904) Blinds: 150.300 30a

    Middle pos. flats (Starting Stack 9885)

    Flop: 3d2dKc

    I lead out for 1005 he just calls. At this point I am putting him on a hand range 66-88 type of hand. Figuring if he had AK he would of raising pre, if he had KQ he probably would of jammed flopped or any bigger hand for that matter 22, 33. I thought this because of the flush draw present.

    Turn: 9h
    Lead out for 1955

    I thought that if I lead out again I could make him fold the 66-88 range.

    He min raises me back, which came as a surprise. I tanked for awhile and ended up folding.

    What would you probably have done in my situation?
  2. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 12:24am) in reply to Wheres My Kiss

    You don't tell us any more info on the situation or the read of what type of player you are facing.

    It's difficult to give a good answer with incomplete dynamics.

    Based on your info (you one sided perspective): your hand.

    One cavite: most players are smart enough to call the flop/turn (float) to see if you continue to push your bet action. Or they will call when they think you are bluffing. They have little reason to bet (or raise) if they think you will fold to a raise.
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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 5:18am) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    Well at times this player seemed rather spewy and was in a good amount of hands. I had pretty extremely tight to this point and that was probably the 2nd hand I had played in about 30 minutes.
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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 1:52pm) in reply to Tryst_

    I'd do the same as you. If he flatted the bet on the turn I'd probably jam the river.
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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 2:24pm) in reply to djdoodoo

    Not really gaining much info by leading here. I tend to check-raise small on the flop as it defines his range much better than a lead.
  6. PeaceGotAces PeaceGotAces is offline

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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 3:19pm) in reply to McWilliams1

    lead is standard..he wouldn't jam KQ or a set of the flop either. I def C/F turn though...the 9 isn't the best barrel card it's not going to scare 88 77 away imo.
     
  7. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 7:17pm) in reply to PeaceGotAces

    Villain is very rarely minraise folding the turn and you only have A high. There are only a few hands you beat (QJdd, QTdd, other XXdd hands). Seems like a snap fold.
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  8. ReBinkRiver ReBinkRiver is offline

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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 7:35pm) in reply to tyson219

    I doubt that you're going to get him to fold 66-88 etc on the turn with another bet. Seems spewy and bad. Why not just raise slightly bigger to discourage action preflop because you honestly don't want to play that hand out of position with your stack size, your chip utility is almost none, and you have a hand that I'd rather not play in a multi way pot OOP with 25bb left.

    So make it 850 or something preflop, you'd be pleased with winning this without having to play OOP, or just having one of the blinds call is the best outcome and that bet accomplishes it a lot more. Give up on the turn, obviously, I'd play KQ like this against your stack.

    I don't see any point in raising the flop if I am him and I think the short stack might just fold, if I think you have air or a range I beat, I'm going to let you plow on the turn and river and just call down because if you have me beat, you're calling me on the turn anyway (or flop). More importantly I'm maximizing your spew bets because I assume that if he just flats you're going to find a way to jam the river and he'll snap you off with KJ and be amazed it's good.

    If you were deeper, this line makes sense because the bets are bigger and so are the implications, but in this case, it's pretty spewy.

    If you're going to play AQ this way, maybe just fold it with your stack size preflop? If you had less, like 15BB, i'd say open jam, and if you had more, I'd say it's good, but you're in a range where you're going to be in tons of tough spots and it seems really hard to play profitably OOP with your stack.

    I think playing your really big hands this way is best though -- people will play the same way against your stack and this action, and with sets, AA, AK, etc, I'd play it this way for sure.
    Edited By: ReBinkRiver May 1st, 2012 at 07:37 PM
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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 10:54pm) in reply to ReBinkRiver

    the flop bet is fine on a K-rag board, if you dont improve on the turn i would shut it down and move on. and like the other guys said if your deeper then you could go for a c/r on the turn or barrel with a nice size bet.
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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 10:56pm) in reply to nosucout325

    Is it just me or does our flop bet seem huge?
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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 11:29pm) in reply to TiltedEV

    to get a better hand history on merge for discussions, make sure your chat options are set to show all then copy and paste the hand you want to post from the chat box. their hand re-player is lol retarded.
     
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    May 1st, 2012 (5/1/2012 11:45pm) in reply to frizzlefry777

    Thanks Rebink. I like most of the stuff that you said on your post. I don't think that even at 25BBs effective that I would be folding AQ UTG. I just feel like it is too nitty imo. Granted I do agree that it will be much more difficult to play OOP against one player or multi players. Secondly, the reason why I like opening to small is due to the fact that I am trying to keep my steals as
    small as possible along with getting 3 bet frequently. I don't think by raising it to like 2.5-3 BBs pre in early pos then only min in later pos is good. I think that it becomes to exploitable.
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