[ios94]

I am the biggest denier of "online poker is rigged" statements, I laugh when I hear this, whether it be from friends or online message boards.

I looked at the first few hands from the HH in question and laughed that off too. The guy was making moves with rags, he could smell weakness and took advantage, i thought. I was telling myself that Jenifear's play by play could be done with any HH to make it look like whatever you want.

I shoved the HH aside only to read some valid and credible comments about the situation. I then decided to take the time and go through each hand of the HH, one by one. After going through the entire HH, it was blatantly obvious that his decisions were based on more than just, "smelling weakness".

I'm repeating the obvious here but...

He only folded a handful of times preflop because he knew there were big PPs in front of him, yet he consistently called raises by AQ/AK and small PPs. Cmon, like I said, I am the first to laugh at these "poker is rigged" conspiracy theorists, but this is clear as a mid July afternoon. The guy was involved in every single hand. Consistently raising rags??? Going AI on river or turn when it's obvious his opponent can't call, the value bets, the folds. Gimmie a break, this is complete BS.

My only question is why would AP email the HH with everyone's hole cards??? Disgruntled employ? Error?

You can say that someone took the time to create a ficitional HH showing everyone's hole cards but if that was the case, AP would not have frozen the accounts of the suspects and they would have instantly issued a statement. It would have been laughed at and found out if this was a fictional HH. Plus from what I gather the HH seems to come from a credible P5er who played with this guy HU. Calling with T hi at the end there?? lol Even the HH from the FT which doesn't show the hole cards is conclusive.

We want answers.

[dangood1]

hey guys im new so take it easy on me....lol
ive been playing online for about 2 yrs now, started on AP and just recently moved to FT
this site is amazing...at work and been on here all day...
this is the first ive heard about AP, im just learning about all the forums around
where can i look to see the begining of all this madness, im very concerned about keeping mony on AP if this is all true.
still trying to find some ways to improve my play with all these tools out here...any suggestions?
thanks
dangood1

[pokerprolific]

gl

[J_BOYZZ]

check out the thread by Lenny at the top of the page, it had all the info, welcome to the boards

[Mr_BigQueso]

hey lenny

[nevertilt22]

im going to take a nap and there better be a Bill Clinton-like " I'm sorry I lied, please dont hate me" speech from an Absolute executive posted somewhere on the internet when i wake up

[TheWacoKidd haters gonna hate]

"You can say that someone took the time to create a ficitional HH showing everyone's hole cards"

no you can't... that's why I posted it, because my word and rep are credible in the poker world and everyone knows there is no chance in hell I would ever make something like this up...

[Lenny lail henny!]

Hi Queso

[ios94]

"You can say that someone took the time to create a ficitional HH showing everyone's hole cards"

no you can't... that's why I posted it, because my word and rep are credible in the poker world and everyone knows there is no chance in hell I would ever make something like this up...

Waco, I've been a long time lurker and as I mentioned I know you and some of the other credible names wouldn't make this stuff up. I'm just trying to figure out why Marco would receive the HH showing everyone's hole cards.

[sketchy1 Dangerzone]

this is a x-post from 2+2. someone mentioned mark seif's name in the subject of absolute poker and the super user accts. someone also referenced an old post on ITH.com forums about mark using a "god acct" of some sort. this is simply untrue. any accusations towards mark seif will be handled by laywers in the near future. if you want to see the original thread, please visit 2+2, go to the beats brags and variance form and then read "official super user t-shirt thread."

" ok, first of all, i want to say a few things. i didn't see this thread yesterday and i just now came across it when mark seif and i chatted today and he informed me of this thread.

let me start by saying that fatalerror or whoever has completely blown my statement out of proportion. i forget what forum or thread i posted this in, but basically i summarized mark's comments at my table during the caesar's $1k tournament.

i leaned over the table to ask mark about the absolute situation. he never got angry w/ me or anyone and didn't do anything but smile while talking. he didn't raise his voice or call 2+2'ers idiots by any means--again i can't even find my own post, it was either here or at p5's, and i posted about 200 times on this subject this week... but i never said mark called 2+2'ers idiots or that he was yelling while discussing the issue.

all mark said on the issue was what absolute poker had told him. the person in question was a long-term loser on the site and that he had made tons of deposits. mark also said that 2+2'ers were ARROGANT (not idiots) because they didn't have all the information available to them to make these generalizations. i agreed with him and we pretty much concluded the convo there, neither of us with any real shred of evidence one way or the other. i could tell at the time mark was sincere that he didn't know anymore than what he had told me.

i made a comment on that same thread (wherever the post is) that mark might not be the best person to ask about it. i only implied that mark probably didn't know the full story about what was going on (and before the HH that waco/marco posted came out, NONE of us did either), and was probably being told this information from absolute poker. at that point in time i had no reason to believe mark was withholding any information or in any way shape or form misinterpreting the truth. i truly believe he told me what he believed to be true, based on what absolute poker probably had told him about their investigation.

that was the last on the subject of my discussion with mark i had posted. since then fatal error has inserted his own twist on the truth and blown this whole thing WAY out of [censored] proportion and he's completely ran mark's name through the mud, WITH NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. absolutely at no time do any of you have any evidence (other than some random jabroni on a message board with a tinfoil hat who made all these conspiracy theory posts about mark seeing his hole cards) that mark was involved in anything unethical or illegal.

i wish my name and mark's name were never used in this discussion because neither of us did anything wrong. mark never cheated, and has never cheated at poker. i have never made any claim that he did nor did i ever claim that he called any of u people idiots.

if anything, mark is more interested in actually finding the truth here. i told him all i knew about the issue, including the costa rican IP address, the hand history of his perfect play v everyone, and the lack of honesty from absolute poker on the subject. mark cannot really make any further comment on the subject as he is obviously endorsed by absolute poker and they are still conducting an internal investigation.

with that being said, mark is very interested in learning the truth himself. as we all are, none of us want to get cheated out of money, and if mark was cheated, he wants to know.

i can assure you all that mark in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM was involved in this cheating scandal and anyone making claims otherwise is full of [censored] and will probably be hearing from a lawyer at one point. you should probably consider shutting the [censored] up, fatal error."

[C_Allen]

You arent showing their busts, you are just displaying their big cashes to stir more controversy. Though oscar133 is somewhat suspicious.

[TheRealAjax]

lol i cheated the system and my freeroll cashes count. nah those are from $0.50 tournies so i guess all qualifying tournies under $1 get reported as $0.

[CrazyMarco]

This was from news section on http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/
First news posted on the site in 3 months dated Oct 5th 2007.
And both pokerstars and FullTilt are Permit Holders their.

The Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) announced today that it has passed the Regulations Concerning Poker Rooms. In effect, it states that, in order to operate, all poker rooms in Kahnawake must obtain a license from the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. By putting into effect these regulations, there is now a mechanism to do so. The Mohawk Council of Kahnawake recently announced that, due to community concerns, it was important to move forward with the regulation of the industry. The KGC was notified; they completed the task of reviewing the draft regulations, followed by the official passage of the regulations today. The Regulations were created through consultation with and input from Kahnawake poker operators, as well as industry experts. The Regulations have been in development for about two years. “This is an important day for Kahnawake,” said KGC Chairperson David Montour. “That we have been able to do this in a collaborative manner shows that there is a consensus to provide industry standards that will ensure fairness and accountability,” Additionally, all parties consulted are in agreement that a percentage of revenues should go to the community. Details on actual percentages and the mechanisms to collect these revenues will be determined in the short term. Several operators have applied for licenses. It is expected that the first will be issued very shortly. Among many requirements, all applicants must provide full disclosure, pass inspections for health and safety, and provide proof of insurance. Click HERE to view the official regulations.

[SQQTED]

<SPAN>I have often felt like I was getting cheated at AP over the past couple years. I kept getting in ahead to lose day after day and at one point could not fathom how a winning player could sometimes have 20 losing days in a row playing poker at 2-4k hands a day. I kept studying my Poker Tracker records and could not figure out why I was losing. My strategy never involved alot of bluffing because I would get the calls when I had monsters, but the suck outs kept coming like I was the underdog. I suspected something was not "right" but could never prove it. My question is if AP is capable of cheating with a super user account, how far fetched could it be for them to devise some way to control of the outcome of the cards?

If they are lying about the super user account I am convinced we are getting cheated in other ways.</SPAN>

[gobbomom]

It looks like AP and UB have been delisted from BW.

http://www.bonuswhores.com/site-list.php

[nevertilt22]

i guess the news is slowin down a bit huh??? what happens now???