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is this a cooler or should i have check called, or bet called the river?

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  1. sleepi sleepi is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2007 (1/2/2007 9:38pm)

    <span>HE ONLY HAD ONE HAND THAT WAS possible THAT COULD BEAT ME, EXCLUDING 4-8 which was unlikely in that spot!!!!</span>
    pokerstars Game #7737870633: Tournament #39376163, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level IV (50/100) - 2007/01/02 - 22:32:31 (ET)
    Table '39376163 40' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Gammelnok (4285 in chips)
    Seat 3: bgator (1875 in chips)
    Seat 4: csupomona (4080 in chips)
    Seat 6: bigboy119235 (1095 in chips)
    Seat 7: piscopo1129 (985 in chips)
    Seat 8: hardcider5 (1180 in chips)
    bgator: posts small blind 50
    csupomona: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to csupomona [3c 4h]
    hardcider5 said, "tnh"
    bigboy119235: folds
    piscopo1129: folds
    hardcider5: folds
    Gammelnok: calls 100
    bgator: calls 50
    csupomona: checks
    *** FLOP *** [5h 2c 7h]
    bgator: checks
    csupomona: bets 160
    Gammelnok: calls 160
    bgator: folds
    *** TURN *** [5h 2c 7h] [As]
    csupomona: bets 450
    Gammelnok: calls 450
    *** RIVER *** [5h 2c 7h As] [6d]
    csupomona: bets 1000
    Gammelnok: raises 1500 to 2500
    csupomona: raises 870 to 3370 and is all-in
    Gammelnok: calls 870
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    csupomona: shows [3c 4h] (a straight, Three to Seven)
    Gammelnok: shows [8h 9h] (a straight, Five to Nine)
    Gammelnok collected 8260 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8260 | Rake 0
    Board [5h 2c 7h As 6d]
    Seat 1: Gammelnok (button) showed [8h 9h] and won (8260) with a straight, Five to Nine
    Seat 3: bgator (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: csupomona (big blind) showed [3c 4h] and lost with a straight, Three to Seven
    Seat 6: bigboy119235 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: piscopo1129 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: hardcider5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. Cortz Cortz is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2007 (1/2/2007 10:08pm) in reply to sleepi

    meh....i go broke there not much you can do, you dont necessarily want him folding on the turn, i felt all your bets were pretty standard...
  3. Karnage Karnage is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2007 (1/2/2007 10:42pm) in reply to sleepi

    He came for the flush, but stayed for the straight.
  4. sleepi sleepi is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2007 (1/2/2007 10:46pm) in reply to Karnage

    so is this a cooler or what!?
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  5. Karnage Karnage is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2007 (1/2/2007 11:21pm) in reply to sleepi

    Dunno, is this?

    pokerstars Game #7725410018: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2007/01/02 - 05:25:39 (ET)
    Table 'Kale' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: EzGotts ($5.09 in chips)
    Seat 2: bingobe ($6.55 in chips)
    Seat 3: brentus777 ($5.82 in chips)
    Seat 4: Macro OuFF ($5.79 in chips)
    Seat 5: Karnagious ($6 in chips) <--- Muggins here just sat down
    brentus777: posts small blind $0.02
    Macro OuFF: posts big blind $0.05
    Karnagious: posts big blind $0.05
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Karnagious [7s 8c]
    Karnagious: checks <--- Sees a free flop after posting the big blind
    EzGotts: folds
    bingobe: calls $0.05
    brentus777: calls $0.03
    Macro OuFF: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Ts 9c 6d] <--- Flops the nuts
    brentus777: bets $0.25
    Macro OuFF: calls $0.25
    Karnagious: raises $0.25 to $0.50 <--- Takes his time to min raise, hoping to get action
    bingobe: raises $0.70 to $1.20 <--- Gets action
    brentus777: folds
    Macro OuFF: folds
    MlDNlGHT joins the table at seat #6
    Karnagious: raises $4.75 to $5.95 and is all-in <--- Sets the trap
    bingobe: calls $4.75 <--- Springs the trap
    *** TURN *** [Ts 9c 6d] [3d]
    *** RIVER *** [Ts 9c 6d 3d] [3s] <--- Trap explodes killing Muggins and his entire family
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Karnagious: shows [7s 8c] (a straight, Six to Ten)
    bingobe: shows [6c 6s] (a full house, Sixes full of Threes)
    bingobe collected $12 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $12.60 | Rake $0.60
    Board [Ts 9c 6d 3d 3s]
    Seat 1: EzGotts folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: bingobe (button) showed [6c 6s] and won ($12) with a full house, Sixes full of Threes
    Seat 3: brentus777 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: Macro OuFF (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: Karnagious showed [7s 8c] and lost with a straight, Six to Ten
  6. ryanb9 ryanb9 is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 12:55am) in reply to sleepi

    yes, you got punked :)
     
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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 2:07am) in reply to sleepi

    I think at some point in the hand you need to check for two reasons. You can get him to raise OR keep the pot small. For example if you check the turn when the ace hits. It's def. possible the guy bets the turn and you can check raise or maybe he doesn't and you just lose alot at the river. Or if you bet the turn like you did you can check the river giving him an attempt to bluff the missed draw. I think this is the best line in alot of this situations.
  8. l[dip]l l[dip]l is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 9:37am) in reply to sleepi

    your about a 75% favorite on the turn so your bet does not give him the odds to call, however i suppose the implied odds make up for the call. It was unlucky that he caught the straight and not the flush as it is far more difficult to put him on an inside straight draw than a flush draw. You have to call that river reraise i think as it is very hard to put him on 89 and even if you just flat called your extremely short stacked and i think i would have pushed in that situation too.
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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 11:02am) in reply to sleepi

    nh
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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 12:26pm) in reply to sleepi

    PM xxFMXERxx for a great and quick odds calculator. thing is fantastic
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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 12:29pm) in reply to sleepi

    I would go broke, you got unlucky he had a gutshot straight draw and a flush draw. He misses the flush draw which I am sure you had him on and I think the only mistake you made was betting on the river. I say this because lets say the last card was a 10-J-Q-K, etc (not a heart) then the only way you opponent would call is if he had something. I believe you would have still had chips left if you checked, but maybe not.
  12. sleepi sleepi is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 2:45pm) in reply to jordan

    when he raised me on the river, i just kept thinking "shit, what could he raise with me here, he has to have 8-9." i actually thought about just calling, but then i saw that i would have 800 left only, and i didn't wanna be the short stack, so i just shoved it all in hoping he had two pair (aces and a little).
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  13. Karnage Karnage is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 7:53pm) in reply to sleepi

    A short stack is still a stack and with one double up you would be right back in it.

    You got unlucky for sure. There was no getting away from the hand because the two hands that would beat you should not have made it to the river.
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