IMO Coolers do exist, GB2005 just didnt' get coolered because WestMenloAA played the hand wrong.

You wont get any serious replies until you take that silly statement out

LMAO at "Coolers do not exist".....

Because of "playing around each other", you guys didn't commit as many chips as you probably normally would. GB had a high M too, so it's not like you wouldn't have gone broke if you had less chips and he was betting. Good analysis, but don't say coolers don't exist. Situational setups and bad suckouts seem to go hand in hand all the time. What else would define "cooler"?

My cooler hand from earlier today.

PokerStars Game #8211675979: Tournament #41629634, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/01/31 - 12:39:18 (ET)
Table '41629634 55' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Bong BrOke (4155 in chips)
Seat 2: cjcny73 (5982 in chips)
Seat 3: BigGameJamez (5505 in chips)
Seat 4: Stoned Flop (865 in chips)
Seat 5: Stoli201 (4780 in chips)
Seat 6: Rozza1 (1545 in chips)
Seat 7: Your_Dilemma (1430 in chips)
Seat 8: ETMprops (2070 in chips)
Seat 9: platonick (3283 in chips)
Your_Dilemma: posts small blind 25
ETMprops: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bong BrOke [5h 4h]
platonick: folds
Bong BrOke: calls 50
cjcny73: folds
BigGameJamez: calls 50
Stoned Flop: folds
Stoli201: calls 50
Rozza1: calls 50
Your_Dilemma: calls 25
ETMprops: checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 6h 8h]
Your_Dilemma: checks
ETMprops: checks
Bong BrOke: checks
BigGameJamez: checks
Stoli201: bets 50
Rozza1: folds
Your_Dilemma: calls 50
ETMprops: folds
Bong BrOke: calls 50
BigGameJamez: calls 50
*** TURN *** [7h 6h 8h] [Jc]
Your_Dilemma: checks
Bong BrOke: checks
BigGameJamez: bets 150
Stoli201: folds
Your_Dilemma: folds
Bong BrOke: calls 150
*** RIVER *** [7h 6h 8h Jc] [5c]
Bong BrOke: checks
BigGameJamez: bets 800
Bong BrOke: raises 3105 to 3905 and is all-in
BigGameJamez: calls 3105
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Bong BrOke: shows [5h 4h] (a straight flush, Four to Eight)
BigGameJamez: shows [9h Th] (a straight flush, Six to Ten)
Bong BrOke said, "omg"
BigGameJamez collected 8610 from pot
Stoli201 said, "ahahahaha"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8610 | Rake 0
Board [7h 6h 8h Jc 5c]
Seat 1: Bong BrOke showed [5h 4h] and lost with a straight flush, Four to Eight
Seat 2: cjcny73 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BigGameJamez showed [9h Th] and won (8610) with a straight flush, Six to Ten
Seat 4: Stoned Flop folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Stoli201 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Rozza1 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Your_Dilemma (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ETMprops (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: platonick folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I guess I coudve played the hand like a sissy after his river bet,but no thanks.

Thank you GBmantis,

that was exactly my point...

IMO menlo played the hand perfect if he put GB on an unpaired hand, like KQ, A9, even a small pocket pair. he tried to slow play it a little bit and let GB catch something that he could get all in with. Had menlo known or believed GB to have a big pair, then he would have shoved. but that takes a very good read.

souds like what i got out of it too. but coolers do exist, albeit extreme cases of them. for example: you are in BB with 98. there is one limper, and you check. flop is 10JQ. you check, the limper goes all in, you call. he shows AK.

Suthereader- "Later on by the way he explains things I think what he is trying to say that the "cooler" is a very -EV way to evaluate your poker play...."

I think this is the message to take from reading this article. If you are hung up on whether or not a cooler exists, I think you are missing the point. No one really disputes whether or not "bad beats" exist, but good players take the term out of their vocabulary. Why? Becuase it's not a profitable way to think about the game, or the way any particluar hand played out.

I believe that is what GB2005 is saying here, and I appreciate the great article.

dude, he took like 80% of his chips on this hand... i guess if he pushes the river he gets 1.4 mill more, but at that point he was already in such a dominating position

I basically agree here. This happened yesterday after the first break in the rebuy. This guy hadnt played many hands and I just knew he had AA and the guy next to watching knew it to and said I should just fold. Ive only folded cowboys one other time pre-flop and almost did it here but couldnt bring myself to do it. I hate going against my instincts. Im thinking that with how much M I had I should be able to lay this down here.

POKERSTARS GAME #8203508041: TOURNAMENT #41629531, $3.00+$0.30 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2007/01/30 - 21:25:50 (ET)
Table '41629531 34' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: p0kerb1atch (5275 in chips)
Seat 2: stevier3 (9363 in chips)
Seat 3: cakerman (5324 in chips)
Seat 4: 63jimmy63 (7085 in chips)
Seat 5: DAYMATT (6461 in chips)
Seat 6: juhnuli (12429 in chips)
Seat 7: aMagicMike (10810 in chips)
Seat 8: maskaveli (8950 in chips)
Seat 9: Dgizzard (25439 in chips)
Dgizzard: posts small blind 100
p0kerb1atch: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to maskaveli [Ks Kc]
stevier3: calls 200
cakerman: folds
63jimmy63: folds
DAYMATT: folds
juhnuli: folds
aMagicMike: raises 400 to 600
maskaveli: raises 1400 to 2000
Dgizzard: folds
p0kerb1atch: folds
stevier3: folds
aMagicMike: raises 2000 to 4000
maskaveli: raises 4950 to 8950 and is all-in
aMagicMike: calls 4950
*** FLOP *** [8c 7d 4s]
*** TURN *** [8c 7d 4s] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [8c 7d 4s 4d] [8h]
maskaveli said, "nh gg"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
aMagicMike: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
maskaveli: shows [Ks Kc] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
aMagicMike collected 18400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18400 | Rake 0
Board [8c 7d 4s 4d 8h]
Seat 1: p0kerb1atch (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: stevier3 folded before Flop
Seat 3: cakerman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 63jimmy63 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DAYMATT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: juhnuli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: aMagicMike showed [Ah Ac] and won (18400) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 8: maskaveli (button) showed [Ks Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 9: Dgizzard (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 1: rdcrsn (6759 in chips)
Seat 2: Stephnay (3275 in chips)
Seat 3: rcrane082985 (1815 in chips)
Seat 4: RiverBoom (7113 in chips)
Seat 5: BoldRuler (9261 in chips)
Seat 6: dumba900 (1070 in chips)
Seat 7: Hubtex (3505 in chips)
Seat 8: Zpaceman (10027 in chips)
Seat 9: Stoweski (6263 in chips)
Zpaceman: posts small blind 100
Stoweski: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rcrane082985 [Ks Ah]
rdcrsn: folds
Stephnay: folds
rcrane082985: raises 1615 to 1815 and is all-in
RiverBoom: folds
BoldRuler: folds
dumba900: folds
Hubtex: calls 1815
Zpaceman: folds
Stoweski: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Kh 4c]
*** TURN *** [3h Kh 4c] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [3h Kh 4c 8h] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rcrane082985: shows [Ks Ah] (a pair of Kings)
Hubtex: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
Hubtex collected 3930 from pot

One of the very few situations where its a cooler right GB? lol

That'll teach ya...