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  1. pgadunes pgadunes is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2009 (1/31/2009 6:15pm)

    Sorry, I'm horrible, trying to learn the game and am curious what the standard bet is here:

    pokerstars Game #24476812638: Tournament #137710744, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/01/31 18:11:25 CT [2009/01/31 19:11:25 ET]
    Table '137710744 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Feridun87 (2150 in chips)
    Seat 2: miggidymoe (1440 in chips)
    Seat 4: steroid king (1775 in chips)
    Seat 5: Brigitte41 (1720 in chips)
    Seat 6: flickrendor (1465 in chips)
    Seat 7: VTjj420 (1455 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 8: katjah (1245 in chips)
    Seat 9: souththai (2395 in chips)
    Seat 10: pgadunes (1355 in chips)
    miggidymoe: posts small blind 25
    steroid king: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pgadunes [Qc Kh]
    Brigitte41: raises 50 to 100
    flickrendor: folds
    VTjj420: folds
    katjah: folds
    souththai: calls 100
    pgadunes: calls 100
    Feridun87: calls 100
    miggidymoe: folds
    steroid king: calls 50
    *** FLOP *** [Ks 5s 6c]
    steroid king: checks
    Brigitte41: checks
    souththai: checks
    pgadunes: bets 200 (pot is like 520) do I make it higher?
    Feridun87: folds
    steroid king: folds
    Brigitte41: folds
    souththai: folds
    Uncalled bet (200) returned to pgadunes
    pgadunes collected 525 from pot
    pgadunes: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 525 | Rake 0
    Board [Ks 5s 6c]
    Seat 1: Feridun87 (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: miggidymoe (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: steroid king (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: Brigitte41 folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: flickrendor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: VTjj420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: katjah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: souththai folded on the Flop
    Seat 10: pgadunes collected (525)
  2. Faecal Matter Faecal Matter is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2009 (1/31/2009 6:24pm) in reply to pgadunes

    You're probably gonna have to go all the way here with top pair second kicker which is not ideal in 5 way pot but it's a $3 bi, stacks are shallow and the board is too drawy for you to bet fold unless you get significant resistance. With this in mind you should bet more because the board is so drawy (there is spade draw and possible straight draws out you want them to commit if they wanna chase). I'd bet around 400.

    And fwiw I'm just folding this hand pre flop.
     
  3. calhoun137 calhoun137 is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2009 (1/31/2009 7:35pm) in reply to pgadunes

    please dont fold pf like the previous guy said.

    Since you are acting first in a 5 way pot I think the best play is to check raise when you hit a flop like this. This way you charge the flush draws to draw and possibly take the pot down right away. There is 720 out there which represents about 40% of your stack. Also, the 200 bet into a 520 pot is super weak. Its unlikely pgadunes has AK since he limped behind but he may have pair of kings with a weaker kicker, or a flush draw, or just a bad bluff. If he has a set of 6's or 7's or two pair you got unlucky, but you should go for it here. If he has a weaker king then he will have a very hard time reading you for KQ since you limped in from the SB. An all in check raise may be a bit extreme, so you may want to raise a small enough amount to get a call from a weaker king but large enough that it commits you to the pot and scares the flush draws into folding.
  4. Faecal Matter Faecal Matter is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2009 (1/31/2009 7:53pm) in reply to calhoun137

     
    Originally Posted by calhoun137 View Post

    Since you are acting first in a 5 way pot I think the best play is to check raise when you hit a flop like this. This way you charge the flush draws to draw and possibly take the pot down right away. There is 720 out there which represents about 40% of your stack. Also, the 200 bet into a 520 pot is super weak. Its unlikely pgadunes has AK since he limped behind but he may have pair of kings with a weaker kicker, or a flush draw, or just a bad bluff. If he has a set of 6's or 7's or two pair you got unlucky, but you should go for it here. If he has a weaker king then he will have a very hard time reading you for KQ since you limped in from the SB.

    learn how to read a HH imo
     
  5. tbone9966 tbone9966 is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2009 (1/31/2009 7:59pm) in reply to Faecal Matter

    your call pf is fine...bet 350 or more on the flop and obv call any reraise.
    jam turn regardless of card
  6. ABorges ABorges is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2009 (1/31/2009 8:40pm) in reply to Faecal Matter

     
    Originally Posted by Faecal Matter View Post

     
    Originally Posted by calhoun137 View Post

    Since you are acting first in a 5 way pot I think the best play is to check raise when you hit a flop like this. This way you charge the flush draws to draw and possibly take the pot down right away. There is 720 out there which represents about 40% of your stack. Also, the 200 bet into a 520 pot is super weak. Its unlikely pgadunes has AK since he limped behind but he may have pair of kings with a weaker kicker, or a flush draw, or just a bad bluff. If he has a set of 6's or 7's or two pair you got unlucky, but you should go for it here. If he has a weaker king then he will have a very hard time reading you for KQ since you limped in from the SB.

    learn how to read a HH imo

    looooooooooooooool

    You still missed a few. Limped behind? Bad bluff?

    With your stack I fold pre, but I've seen worse calls in the world. Bet more on the flop, around 350-400, and I guess you gotta go all the way which kinda sucks with your hand and the other million people in the pot.

    You seem to have trouble with your bet sizing judging by your first sentence. I'll give you a small guide that should help you starting out...

    Correct bet sizing depends a lot on stack sizes and board texture... generally the deeper you are the more you should bet. 100BBs deep, for example, you should size your bets to around 75% of the pot most of the time. 30BBs deep, however, they should be around 50%-66% as the implied odds given won't be as attractive. Likewise, the more draw heavy the board is the more you should bet to prevent people from drawing cheap. Take this hand for example, the flop has a flush draw and a bunch of straight draws you don't want people to chase for a small price. Bet more to make them either fold or pay heavily for their draws! Around 75% should do it, but you bet around 40% this time and that's not good at all.

    If you keep your bets around 60%-75% most of the time you'll be fine, and then adjust with experience. Like I said, the 2 main factors in your bet size decision should be board texture (mostly) and stack sizes. A 3rd factor is your hand - sizing your bets according to your hand will make you very readable and exploitable, but this is mostly against good thinking players. So if the person you're in the pot with is any good, your hand shouldn't be what you base your decision on. BUT against bad players who don't pay attention to what you're doing you'll usually be better off betting more with your good hands and less with your bluffs, even though many people do the opposite...

    Well, hope this helps.
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