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Is this the correct fold to be making early on against an unknown player?

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  1. AceJax AceJax is offline

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    May 29th, 2010 (5/29/2010 6:33pm)

    Is this fold too nitty? One thing I will say is that his check-raise was very quick

    pokerstars Game $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30)
    9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: toskur (2730 in chips)
    Seat 2: AAKönigAA (2705 in chips)
    Seat 3: Haas (3155 in chips)
    Seat 4: ProForShow (3035 in chips)
    Seat 5: Birkby Slim (3540 in chips)
    Seat 6: Villain (2770 in chips)
    Seat 7: CypherEST (2960 in chips)
    Seat 8: AceJax (2710 in chips)
    Seat 9: Louismartin (3235 in chips)
    Villain: posts small blind 15
    CypherEST: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to AceJax [Ad Ks]
    AceJax: raises 60 to 90
    Louismartin: folds
    toskur: folds
    AAKönigAA: folds
    Haas: folds
    ProForShow: folds
    Birkby Slim: folds
    Villain: calls 75
    CypherEST: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Ac 7c Qs]
    Villain: checks
    AceJax: bets 150
    Villain: raises 270 to 420
    AceJax: folds
    Uncalled bet (270) returned to Villain
    Villain collected 510 from pot
    Villain: doesn't show hand

    The reason I decided to fold here was because I didn't think I was beating any legitimate hands, other than AK which doesn't count. AQ,A7,77 make sense. It would be crazy to make a move on this board given there is a high probabilty that I have the hand I have given I'm UTG raiser. Is it feasible he's doing this on some kind of hand like KJc or KQc? Either way it seems like there is a high probabilty that I'll end up showing down the second best hand by the river.

    Is there a better way the hand could have been played?
  2. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    May 29th, 2010 (5/29/2010 7:50pm) in reply to AceJax

    I think it's an OK fold. You'd be calling praying for a K on the turn, because you know he's gonna lead out again. He might be check-raising with the flush draw, but I think it's rare enough in something like the 50/50 where you're behind more often than not here.
     
  3. blarkin blarkin is offline

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    May 29th, 2010 (5/29/2010 9:29pm) in reply to AceJax

    assuming this is NOT a rebuy tourney, does everyone agree that in general, this is a more and more -EV play (to stay in hand in any way - call down or shove) the larger the buyin? in other word, if this is a $2 tourney, it might be +EV, but if this is a $200 tourney, there's no way it's +EV? agree everyone?

    since this is a $50 freezeout on PS, i think it's -EV.
  4. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    May 30th, 2010 (5/30/2010 1:04pm) in reply to blarkin

    BLarkin, I think you're right as well. In this particular instance, you'll find a lot more people willing to spew off with AJ or something else the OP beats in a $2 MTT than a $100 MTT.
     
  5. giveakshun giveakshun is offline

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    Jun 3rd, 2010 (6/3/2010 10:30pm) in reply to grapsfan

    I think this is a marginal fold , this line could be that villain is trying to gain info on his weak ace by check raising.. um also
    77 makes sense or a7 if hes loose... but u could still beat aj a6 a5 a2 a3 a4 at a9 a8 .. this is a tough spot to be in imo with
    his line and considering that this flop really hit your range i think he either has a weak ace and doesnt believe u or he holds
    a twopair /set hand.
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