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Correct Shove?

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  1. allin4flush allin4flush is offline

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    Dec 27th, 2010 (12/27/2010 10:12am)

    Had a question about a shove that everyone at the table was shocked by. This is at a local card room. I'd lost most of my stack in a cooler, then blinds went up to 1500/3000 (no antes) and I'd folded 75 and 83 in the next two hands. This is a very passive table with players who have no comprehension of short handed shoving/opening stacks, 3/4 hands folded around to SB.

    UTG (HERO) 11000
    UTG+1 : 30000
    CO : 20000
    BTN: 6000
    SB: 55000
    BB: 25000

    SB Posts 1500
    BB Posts 3000
    Hero (Jc6d)

    There's no choice but to shove here, right?

    I was not happy to see CO call, I expected BTN to call (she did) and was very sad to see SB also call. SB (AT) and CO (KQ) checked it down, 6TK76 - and everyone was outraged when I turned over the winner. Although I was quite confident that I had made the right move, I thought it was enough of a question to raise here.

    I really need to remember the five others at that table, because I'm pretty sure they're more likely to call me down light next time I'm short stacked.
    Edited By: allin4flush Dec 27th, 2010 at 10:12 AM
  2. Heehaw16 Heehaw16 is offline

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    Dec 27th, 2010 (12/27/2010 6:58pm) in reply to allin4flush

    You don't even have 4 bbs so not really bad at all.

    Your going with this hand or the next so..........

    Fine in my opinion.

    Guys at table (who cares) take the suck out and run.
  3. dag21 dag21 is offline

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    Dec 27th, 2010 (12/27/2010 8:38pm) in reply to Heehaw16

    Its a fold OP, not only a game theory optimal fold, but youre always getting called, esp in a liveament, and J6o doesnt play well against anything. Nice life though, gg.

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  4. Scarypooper Scarypooper is offline

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    Dec 27th, 2010 (12/27/2010 9:47pm) in reply to dag21

    I fold here and I think most MTT regs have huge leaks in their short stacked game when shoving in spots like this.
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  5. allin4flush allin4flush is offline

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    Dec 27th, 2010 (12/27/2010 9:50pm) in reply to Scarypooper

    Thanks for the feedback you two, you've both expressed the reasons I felt it was right and that it might have been wrong. I guess it's not as clear-cut as I thought it was.

    I expected/wanted one call, figuring I would likely be live, but obviously 4-way it was behind. I think one adjustment I didn't make for the live play was that the person who went in after me didn't raise to isolate... nobody seems to do that in these games, but it's so standard online it's easy to forget.

     
    Originally Posted by Scarypooper View Post

    I fold here and I think most MTT regs have huge leaks in their short stacked game when shoving in spots like this.

    What would your cutoff hand be for this spot? I don't like shoving a weak ace in this spot, because a call likely dominates. J6 was pretty much the bottom of my range, but I felt I had little choice considering I'd have 1/4 my stack in the next hand and more or less have to commit.

    Thanks for the response, sounds like I might need to tighten up a bit in this spot.
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  6. Stoneface Stoneface is offline

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    Dec 27th, 2010 (12/27/2010 9:56pm) in reply to allin4flush

    I don't think it's a bad shove really. Depends on the table though, some players get uber nitty later on and will actually fold getting 2 or even 3:1 on a call. They see that "massive" 10k chip all in and think "oh he must have a big hand or at least an ace, my K9 is no good" and fold.
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