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Could I have played this better

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  1. rsethura1 rsethura1 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 2:48pm)

    this is the 20+2 Double Deuce on FTP last night and out of 12000 entrants, 12350 pays and 1500 remain and blinds are 500/1000 and good bit of ante..Any rate I am in the BB and dealt KQ spades and the button, guy who is not super aggressive, neither a Lag Tard, but kinda plays goofy, flatting a,lot and then letting it go and I had taken a few pots from him early on...

    my chip count 29K, his 26500

    Folds to him and he makes it 3700 on the button. Even though I am OOP, I felt I could see the flop and see what develops and the flop is so nice

    Qc 2s 4s

    I have top pair with the 2nd flush draw. the pot is already close 8500 in chips. I check with the intention of check raising him if he bets, He checks behind and the turn is the

    5s

    completes my flush. Now i lead into him for 7000 so that he does not draw with the Ace of spade. He falts, nothing unusual as i have seen this time and time again.

    The river is the 2 basically pairing the board.

    At this point the pot is 22000 and i have around 15-16K left...

    What do you do now? do you check? do you shove?

    What the heck do you put him on at this spot. Could you get away from this hand?

    the only 2 hands that beat me are the nut flush and if he rivered the boat.

    Would like to hear ur thoughts on this....

    Thank you
  2. cassettecounty cassettecounty is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 3:06pm) in reply to rsethura1

    No way I get away from that hand. I'd probably shove river, since I'm calling any bet. If he slow played a set on a draw-heavy flop and filled up, gg me.

    But I can't figure he raised pre with 22, 44, or 55. QQ is unlikely since you have one in your hand, and the two spades on board wouldn't leave much room for slow play.

    If you're beat, I think you're beat by the nut flush. AT or AJ.
  3. pkalevar pkalevar is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 3:12pm) in reply to cassettecounty

     
    Originally Posted by cassettecounty View Post


    No way I get away from that hand. I'd probably shove river, since I'm calling any bet. If he slow played a set on a draw-heavy flop and filled up, gg me.

    But I can't figure he raised pre with 22, 44, or 55. QQ is unlikely since you have one in your hand, and the two spades on board wouldn't leave much room for slow play.

    If you're beat, I think you're beat by the nut flush. AT or AJ.

    iawtc
  4. rsethura1 rsethura1 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 3:17pm) in reply to cassettecounty

    Exactly, didn't put him on QQ and if he did have the 22 or 44, would you not bet the flop with the flush draw (just me), but at any rate he did have 55 and filled up on the river to the full house and it was gg me as he took a long time thinking and then calling and my remaining chips went in..

    Oh well, thanks for the reply. Makes me feel better.
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  5. cassettecounty cassettecounty is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 3:38pm) in reply to rsethura1

    Bogus.

    pk,
    What is iawtc?
  6. pkalevar pkalevar is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 3:53pm) in reply to cassettecounty

    i agree with this comment
  7. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 4:04pm) in reply to rsethura1

    Shove for max value. You shouldnt be folding so why not get it in.

    IF you aren't going broke here then why call pre? You got pretty much what you're looking a huge hand against a station. LEt him call ur shove too.

    To me the biggest decision you had was pre. Was that his standard open nearly 4x? That's a lot to call when ur playing the rest of the way OOP. But if you felt you could get him off the hand later not so bad.
  8. rivverkiller rivverkiller is online now

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 5:06pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    You could've played it better by betting the flop. The whole idea behind check raising flush draws is that you're usually behind and you need the fold equity to make it profitable. In this case you basically flopped the nuts so you should be betting the flop with the intention of getting it in on the turn. And yes you should be shoving the river.
     
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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 5:20pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    Thanks for the replies guys,. Appreciate it. I did bet the river, close to 2/3 of the pot with all the intention of getting it in if he shoved, which is what happened. as far as his opening range, like i said, he really didnt play well at all, kept flatting a lot and the bet size was the same and like someone said i basically flopped the nuts..

    Just one of those where u just can't get away from it and I just wanted a second thought and appreciate all the responses.
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    Feb 11th, 2009 (2/11/2009 2:13pm) in reply to rsethura1

    I definitely would have bet the flop, but I think shoving the river is not the best play. You have to put him on some kind of hand, considering he paid 7k on the turn, either the A spade draw (maybe), maybe he has a flush already also, a Q or some mid pp not giving you cred for the Q. Once you get down to that river with a Q2452 board and 3 spades out, what are you expecting to get paid off by when you shove? You need to extract some value with this monster hand. Personally would be more likely to make the same bet I made on the turn. You may get paid off by a weaker hand, where imo shoving is pushing out a good amount of hands that may call a smaller bet.
     
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