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Could I have played this differently? Deep in UBOC

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  1. johnsovva_ap johnsovva_ap is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 12:07am)

    I was 4th in chips coming into this hand with 16 players left. I had nightmares about this and wonder if I could have played it differently. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

    [SIZE=2]Stage #542118219 Tourney ID 5900682 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 5,000 - 2011-01-27 02:01:54.011 (ET) [ 2011-01-27 02:01:54 ]
    Table: 13 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
    Seat 7 - 7TEMPEHEAT7 (185,277 in chips)
    Seat 8 - PRINCESSDONK (335,339 in chips)
    Seat 1 - SUPERMODL (196,800 in chips)
    Seat 2 - BTIDMARSH515 (196,151 in chips)
    Seat 3 - JOHNSOVVA (201,968 in chips)
    Seat 4 - SOLOVYOV88 (316,936 in chips)
    Seat 5 - HAMAZRIYA3 (82,450 in chips)
    Seat 6 - BOBBYCOXFAN (146,481 in chips)
    SUPERMODL - Ante 500
    BTIDMARSH515 - Ante 500
    JOHNSOVVA - Ante 500
    SOLOVYOV88 - Ante 500
    HAMAZRIYA3 - Ante 500
    BOBBYCOXFAN - Ante 500
    7TEMPEHEAT7 - Ante 500
    PRINCESSDONK - Ante 500
    PRINCESSDONK - Posts small blind 2,500
    SUPERMODL - Posts big blind 5,000
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to JOHNSOVVA [Qs Qd]
    BTIDMARSH515 - Folds
    JOHNSOVVA - Raises 11,625 to 11,625
    SOLOVYOV88 - Calls 11,625
    HAMAZRIYA3 - Folds (Preselection)
    BOBBYCOXFAN - Folds
    7TEMPEHEAT7 - Folds
    PRINCESSDONK - Calls 9,125
    SUPERMODL - Calls 6,625
    *** FLOP *** [4d 8d 2s]
    PRINCESSDONK - Checks
    SUPERMODL - Checks
    JOHNSOVVA - Bets 25,000
    SOLOVYOV88 - Calls 25,000
    PRINCESSDONK - Raises 69,887 to 69,887
    SUPERMODL - Folds (Preselection)
    JOHNSOVVA - All-In(Raise) 164,843 to 189,843
    SOLOVYOV88 - Folds
    PRINCESSDONK - Calls 119,956
    *** TURN *** [4d 8d 2s] [4s]
    *** RIVER *** [4d 8d 2s 4s] [3d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    JOHNSOVVA - Shows [Qs Qd] (Two Pair, queens and fours)
    PRINCESSDONK - Shows [8s 8h] (Full house, eights full of fours)
    PRINCESSDONK Collects 455,186 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot(455,186)
    Board [4d 8d 2s 4s 3d]
    Seat 1: SUPERMODL (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
    Seat 2: BTIDMARSH515 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 3: JOHNSOVVA HI:lost with Two Pair, queens and fours [Qs Qd - P:Qs,P:Qd,B:4s,B:4d,B:8d]
    Seat 4: SOLOVYOV88 Folded on the FLOP
    Seat 5: HAMAZRIYA3 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: BOBBYCOXFAN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 7: 7TEMPEHEAT7 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 8: PRINCESSDONK (small blind) won Total (455,186) HI:(455,186) with Full house, eights full of fours [8s 8h - P:8s,P:8h,B:8d,B:4s,B:4d][/SIZE]
     
  2. IBGrindin IBGrindin is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 12:13am) in reply to johnsovva_ap

     
    Originally Posted by johnsovva_ap View Post

    I had nightmares about this and wonder if I could have played it differently. Any advice is greatly appreciated.[/SIZE]

    no. looks pretty standard to me.
     
  3. atptim atptim is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 12:51am) in reply to IBGrindin

    Nope. I would have gone at least 12K pre but it wouldn't have made any difference. I don't think I could ever lay that down. Maybe if I had the sickest read ever like the big stack hadn't played a hand in a half hour or something, but I doubt even then.
  4. rocksolid124 rocksolid124 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 1:48am) in reply to atptim

    Nope just ul
  5. dalix88 dalix88 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 1:52am) in reply to rocksolid124

    In gametime I probably stack off but I do wonder if this is a fold. Princessdonk is a reg I think, and has a range which mostly comprises of sets (which are miles ahead) and combo draws (against which QQ will have around 50% equity).
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  6. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 2:00am) in reply to dalix88

     
    Originally Posted by dalix88 View Post

    In gametime I probably stack off but I do wonder if this is a fold. Princessdonk is a reg I think, and has a range which mostly comprises of sets (which are miles ahead) and combo draws (against which QQ will have around 50% equity).


    Pretty much this. Be hard to find a fold in game time, but I think that PrincessDonk (IIRC A nitty reg) is very solid and showing up with a set most of the time on the action there and if I had a long time to think about it a fold is the right play.

     
    Originally Posted by atptim View Post

    Nope. I would have gone at least 12K pre

    Ignore this. ATP has no clue what he is talking about
     
  7. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is online now

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 2:20am) in reply to bonflizubi

    [SIZE=2]Depends on info on Princess Donk. Previous showdowns in similar spots etc.

    [/SIZE][FONT=Times New Roman]If you see her pot controlling and playing small pots in previous hands, and then now she starts trying to play a big pot with you, then you get out of the hand right away. 3 players saw the flop and there are 2 diamonds. Hard to accept when you have QQ but she probably has a set. I think you knew this and made a crying call which is why the hand is haunting you so much

    [/FONT][SIZE=2]Tough lay down dont know what I would do in game. And I'm the worst at losing focus I've made horrendus calls to end my tournament after 8+ hours of playing so I know the feeling.
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  8. msc msc is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 4:28am) in reply to Sagacious Man

    honestly youve got a healthy enough stack that i think this is a fold. not saying it wouldn't be hard in game time, though
  9. zhunda zhunda is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2011 (2/1/2011 11:09pm) in reply to msc

    i had 66 in this hand))
     
  10. JaguarsFan JaguarsFan is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2011 (2/1/2011 11:51pm) in reply to zhunda

    I wouldof layed that down. I don't see any respectable player raising there without 2 pair that late in a tournament. Raise
    wasn't big enough preflop to push out people liming in with low pairs like PRINCESS had. I lay that down 99 times out of 100.

    Although I might of opened for and lost more initally.

    and in a heads up situation i might of pushed
    Edited By: JaguarsFan Feb 1st, 2011 at 11:59 PM
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  11. scavillo scavillo is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2011 (2/1/2011 11:52pm) in reply to JaguarsFan

    Leading out and betting on this flop is def a option and not a bad one by any means. However with 3 other players in the hand especially considering 2 of them are the blinds its a very scary/hitable board. Either of the blinds could easily be sitting on a set or an ace high flush draw with a low end straight draw, given the reduced price preflop and the drawing odds they were given specifically the big blind. That being said i would check this flop and allow another card to come off and try to gain more information from the hands in the blinds. If both blinds checked again you know your good, if one of them bets you'd be able to control the pot with your position now and better asses the hand. On the spot though jamming is probably what most peoples instincts would tell them to do, only problem with that is at best your in a coin flip if you get called.
  12. SSG SSG is offline

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    Feb 2nd, 2011 (2/2/2011 12:07am) in reply to scavillo

    i probably raise at least 3x pre as in early position.but that wouldn't make a difference
    on the flop, don't think he would raise with AX dd.
    maybe only JJ+ or set .

    i would tank for ages and sigh folds.
  13. The Maven The Maven is offline

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    Feb 2nd, 2011 (2/2/2011 12:51am) in reply to SSG

    Flop bet seems a bit too big imo, would drive away most worst hands...Also, the way it was played is fine imo, but you did give him massive set odds pre-flop (hate to put 11k in ahead and 200k in behind obv),...so paying him off isn't always ideal. Would be great to know pt3 stats on the opponent (ie if the opponent never raises flops or isn't aggressive post-flop, it's possible to put him on a very narrow range here etc)....all said, not the end of the world as played, wouldn't beat yourself up too bad.
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