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Crafty Chokes Again, Bad Shove This Time??

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  1. CraftyCal CraftyCal is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 2:31am)

    Just finished this tourney, basically everybody at the table was raising to steal at every opportunity so i decided to fight back after my blinds had been stolen countless times in a row, wrong play on my part?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #6434844803: Daily Double - A (48237543), Table 29 - 10000/20000 Ante 2500 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:19:15 ET - 2008/05/16
    Seat 2: RonnieG11 (249,274)
    Seat 4: mabes69 (352,325)
    Seat 5: butterfly9 (254,110)
    Seat 6: BIGSHOT_OWNAGE (477,241)
    Seat 7: CraftyCal (354,104)
    Seat 8: KiDProDiGyZC (260,261)
    Seat 9: amfox1 (240,685)
    RonnieG11 antes 2,500
    mabes69 antes 2,500
    butterfly9 antes 2,500
    BIGSHOT_OWNAGE antes 2,500
    CraftyCal antes 2,500
    KiDProDiGyZC antes 2,500
    amfox1 antes 2,500
    CraftyCal posts the small blind of 10,000
    KiDProDiGyZC posts the big blind of 20,000
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to CraftyCal [9d Ac]
    amfox1 folds
    RonnieG11 raises to 70,000
    mabes69 folds
    butterfly9 folds
    BIGSHOT_OWNAGE folds
    CraftyCal has 15 seconds left to act
    CraftyCal raises to 351,604, and is all in
    KiDProDiGyZC folds
    RonnieG11 calls 176,774, and is all in
    CraftyCal shows [9d Ac]
    RonnieG11 shows [Qc As]
    Uncalled bet of 104,830 returned to CraftyCal
    *** FLOP *** [Td Js Ks]
    *** TURN *** [Td Js Ks] [6d]
    *** RIVER *** [Td Js Ks 6d] [Kd]
    CraftyCal shows a pair of Kings
    RonnieG11 shows a straight, Ace high
    RonnieG11 wins the pot (531,048) with a straight, Ace high
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 531,048 | Rake 0
    Board: [Td Js Ks 6d Kd]
    Seat 2: RonnieG11 showed [Qc As] and won (531,048) with a straight, Ace high
    Seat 4: mabes69 folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: butterfly9 folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: BIGSHOT_OWNAGE (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: CraftyCal (small blind) showed [9d Ac] and lost with a pair of Kings
    Seat 8: KiDProDiGyZC (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: amfox1 folded before the Flop
  2. gillabong gillabong is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 2:34am) in reply to CraftyCal

    def jus fold pre
  3. Duffy08 Duffy08 is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 2:38am) in reply to CraftyCal

    nothing wrong if you have a read on the player.

    Still a PRETTy big shove with A,9

    Look for a better spot usually, unless u have great read
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  4. jus2awsum jus2awsum is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 3:13am) in reply to CraftyCal

    this is a bad shove. he's calling you almost 100 percent of the time if he's a decent player. there's no fold equity. you should def fold.
     
  5. Zota15 Zota15 is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 6:23am) in reply to jus2awsum

    Pick on guys raising from button/cutoff....not guys in early/middle position 3.5xing it.
  6. baz5838 baz5838 is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 8:59am) in reply to CraftyCal

    Crafty, I see you had to stay up a little bit longer. Don't worry, I'm not bitter about your 95o dominating my A8s. Good to see you made the FT.

    TexAgs04
  7. CraftyCal CraftyCal is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 9:39am) in reply to baz5838

    lol, hi baz, my head was in a mess at that point but i managed to get myself together about half an hour after that and concentrate on the job in hand, the thing that set me tilting i think was when i was the chip leader in a rebuy tourney and my internet went down, & still being up until 7:20am was a killer for me. Gl around here Baz, i remember you were playing pretty well
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  8. Wein Wein is offline Sunday Millionaire

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 12:19pm) in reply to CraftyCal

    Against an EP raiser to 3 and a half times the bb this is clearly a fold. Shoving here is pretty bad based purely on a pot odds standpoint. The player has raised almost 1/3rd of his stack pre-flop. There is roughly 350k in the pot and the player only has to call 175k more. So he's getting 2:1 odds when his range for opening in EP here is extremely tight to begin with. He is just never folding here unless he has some sick soul read on you.
     
  9. takesallcash takesallcash is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 12:35pm) in reply to CraftyCal

    he is not going allin, at this table that you said had a lot of stealing at it. so here is how i see it. there roughly 115k in pot and your raise 175k more making that person have to call 175k to win 365. if i was that person (withouts knowing much about the table) and i had raised 70k, i would put you on a range of about KQs+A10o+77+. AQo is about 47% to beat that range. he has no fold equity, if i am him i call allin all day. if he thinks your range is that or even close to that he is calling. now yours. A9o beats that range 30%, so even if you add more hands in, imo your not giving him enough fold equity to push. so imo yes its the wrong play.
     
  10. bassmaster bassmaster is offline SCAMMER - DO NOT TRADE

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 12:51pm) in reply to CraftyCal

    yea what wein said

    end thread/
  11. rochustler rochustler is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 12:57pm) in reply to CraftyCal

    dont like the resteal vs utg+1 raiser
     
  12. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 1:40pm) in reply to rochustler

    u rly think the utg+1 raiser is opening with anything A9 is far ahead of?
    horrible shove.
  13. josh34 josh34 is offline

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    May 16th, 2008 (5/16/2008 1:51pm) in reply to CraftyCal

    How do you know everybody was raising to steal? Your play depends solely on what you put the EP raiser's range. Had he been raising to steal like you claim everybody else was? Had he done it from that position before? Had he shown a wide opening range in general? Unless you know the answers to these questions your play sounds more like a guess than anything.
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