Check out our brand new Local Poker Communities! Get updates and interact with poker players in your area.
Visit the United States Poker Community | Visit the California Poker Community | Read more about the Launch of P5s Local

Crazy laydown

Reply to Thread
  1. michael1123 michael1123 is offline

    Rochester Hills, MI
    United States

    Posts: 158
    Joined: Jan 06

    Nov 23rd, 2006 (11/23/2006 7:10am)

    This is anything but standard for me, and I believe its the biggest laydown I've ever made heads up, considering its on a not very scary board and he didn't overbet the pot by that much.

    You really can't understand the laydown without having an idea of how tight passive the guy was playing. We'd been heads up for 28 hands by this point, and the guy never reraised me preflop (and I was raising between 1/3 and 1/2 of the hands on the button). He only raised on the button a couple times, and I'm not sure if he ever did in the BB when I limped. I'm honestly not sure he ever actually bet once without a pair the entire heads up match, and he never seemed to try to catch me bluffing with a weak hand. I think he only even raised me after the flop like once or twice. 90% of hands he was just check folding, and when he did bet post flop it was almost always for the size of the BB or 2xBB. Most of this was consistent with how he played the rest of the match as well, so I didn't just think he was card dead for the heads up match.

    Overall, he was playing more tight passive than almost anyone I've ever played heads up. On with the hand history:

    *********** # 163 **************
    pokerstars Game #7137770832: Tournament #35923425, $165+$10 Hold'em No Limit -
    Match Round I, Level VI (100/200) - 2006/11/23 - 01:30:43 (ET)
    Table '35923425 8' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 8: michael1123 (8808 in chips)
    Seat 9: vuddu (4692 in chips)
    michael1123: posts small blind 100
    vuddu: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to michael1123 [3c 6d]
    michael1123: calls 100
    vuddu: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Kh 4d Jd]
    vuddu: checks
    michael1123: bets 200
    vuddu: calls 200
    *** TURN *** [Kh 4d Jd] [5d]
    vuddu: checks
    michael1123: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Kh 4d Jd 5d] [2c]
    vuddu: bets 1000
    (very long delay)
    michael1123: folds
    vuddu collected 800 from pot
    vuddu: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 800 | Rake 0
    Board [Kh 4d Jd 5d 2c]
    Seat 8: michael1123 (button) (small blind) folded on the River
    Seat 9: vuddu (big blind) collected (800)

    With the way he was playing, I really couldn't see me having the best hand 1/3 of the time here, and that would've been a bit less than I needed for pot odds. My read was him having a flush, and that's about it. The only other hands I could think he could have were 22 or 55, and there's a hell of a lot more combinations of cards that can make a 2 card flush than can make 22 or 55.

    To show I wasn't too terrified to put a chip in the pot without the nuts against this guy when he showed any strength, here's the hand I busted him on:

    *********** # 168 **************
    PokerStars Game #7137797682: Tournament #35923425, $165+$10 Hold'em No Limit -
    Match Round I, Level VII (100/200) - 2006/11/23 - 01:33:18 (ET)
    Table '35923425 8' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 8: michael1123 (9583 in chips)
    Seat 9: vuddu (3917 in chips)
    michael1123: posts the ante 25
    vuddu: posts the ante 25
    vuddu: posts small blind 100
    michael1123: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to michael1123 [2c 9c]
    vuddu: calls 100
    michael1123: checks
    *** FLOP *** [9d Qs 7c]
    michael1123: bets 200
    vuddu: calls 200
    *** TURN *** [9d Qs 7c] [9h]
    michael1123: bets 400
    vuddu: calls 400
    *** RIVER *** [9d Qs 7c 9h] [Ah]
    michael1123: bets 600
    vuddu: raises 600 to 1200
    michael1123: raises 7558 to 8758 and is all-in
    vuddu: calls 1892 and is all-in
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    michael1123: shows [2c 9c] (three of a kind, Nines)
    vuddu: shows [Kd Ad] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
    michael1123 collected 7834 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 7834 | Rake 0
    Board [9d Qs 7c 9h Ah]
    Seat 8: michael1123 (big blind) showed [2c 9c] and won (7834) with three of a
    kind, Nines
    Seat 9: vuddu (button) (small blind) showed [Kd Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces
    and Nines

    I did have to think if I should put the rereraise in on the river or not against him (sadly ... this guy was THAT tight), but I felt like he had AQ or something like that here, much more often than a 9, since he hadn't shown any earlier strength. But ... if he minraised me on the turn, I probably would've just called and then check called on the river!
     
  2. michael1123 michael1123 is offline

    Rochester Hills, MI
    United States

    Posts: 158
    Joined: Jan 06

    Nov 24th, 2006 (11/24/2006 6:45pm) in reply to michael1123

    Funny how no one replies to good poker related content on here unless its bumped once or twice ...
     
    Thread Starter
  3. owl52 owl52 is offline

    Uzbekistan

    Posts: 4,093
    Joined: Jun 06

    Nov 24th, 2006 (11/24/2006 6:48pm) in reply to michael1123

    you got bluft sucka!
  4. N 82 50 24 N 82 50 24 is offline herp derp derp

    Philadelphia, PA
    United States

    Posts: 8,601
    Joined: Jun 05

    Nov 24th, 2006 (11/24/2006 6:50pm) in reply to michael1123

    good post mike, tough laydown there hand 1
     
  5. DaveMac89 DaveMac89 is offline

    Lake Orion, MI
    United States

    Posts: 198
    Joined: Jun 06

    Nov 24th, 2006 (11/24/2006 6:51pm) in reply to michael1123

    Impressive laydown and congrads on taking it down. Was that the first or second table of the DS?
  6. NetFan44 NetFan44 is online now

    New York City, NY
    United States

    Posts: 4,344
    Joined: Jun 06

    Nov 24th, 2006 (11/24/2006 6:52pm) in reply to michael1123

    take my opinions with a grain of salt, but i don't think either hand is that crazy. if you're chipping away nicely (you said he's tight passive so i can assume you're stealing a lot of limped pots on the flop, etc), then it's not worth calling the river, if you're wrong then you're lead is almost gone.

    second hand, you have a 2.5-1 chip lead and turn trip 9's, you're not going anywhere, even if he lucked into a full house or trip 9's better kicker, he doubles and he has the chip lead but you're not in trouble.

    --it's hard to actually find good poker content these days rather than 15 brag posts or "rank this guy" posts, but good analysis, i wish i had the roll to play these kind of sngs
  7. ahh_snap ahh_snap is offline

    United States

    Posts: 1,353
    Joined: Mar 05

    Nov 24th, 2006 (11/24/2006 6:52pm) in reply to N 82 50 24

    I like the laydown.. He's not bluffing and you're right.. most likely flush, possible turned or rivered set... At the same time, I almost never lay that down there..
  8. michael1123 michael1123 is offline

    Rochester Hills, MI
    United States

    Posts: 158
    Joined: Jan 06

    Nov 24th, 2006 (11/24/2006 7:07pm) in reply to NetFan44

    Of course they're not literally crazy. The 2nd hand is rather standard. The first hand is probably an impossible (without being bad) laydown against over 90% of players. The situation and the guys play style were just exactly right to where I could think I didn't have pot odds. And of course, you assumed correctly, and a big part of it was minimizing risk.
     
    Thread Starter
  9. triple5soul_ triple5soul_ is offline

    New York, NY
    United States

    Posts: 226
    Joined: Jun 06

    Nov 24th, 2006 (11/24/2006 7:13pm) in reply to DaveMac89

    Wow. No way I am folding here no matter what I think he has. Great discipline for sticking to your read. Such a tough fold.
  10. michael1123 michael1123 is offline

    Rochester Hills, MI
    United States

    Posts: 158
    Joined: Jan 06

    Nov 26th, 2006 (11/26/2006 7:30pm) in reply to DaveMac89

    First. On the second table I got the dreaded 2nd place.
     
    Thread Starter
Reply to Thread

Similar Threads