first big tourney i got really, really deep in was the $35k/$11r on stars (the afternoon $11R)

three handed we discussed a chop. i was chip leader and wanted more than chip equity. guy in second kept insisting on the chip count numbers. i said no.

i got AA v. QQ against him like two hands later and beat the other dude HU. so...reverse curse

Why does everyone complain when people say no to a chop, idea is to play to win

Chop Denier finished 4th. Victory for Deal-mongers

seen it happen live a thousand times. people say no to chop then they bust.
always chop

Chopping based on chip equity is technically neither - or + EV. If you are better than the remaining players, then it is -EV and a bad move. The only time chopping is correct is if the prize amounts will significantly impact your bankroll. For example, you play the sunday 100k on stars for 11.00, well within your bankroll of 2K. You get heads up. Chopping would be a good play, as you may never be in this spot again.

So if someone doesn't chop a tourney for 250 bucks, they aren't being arrogant, they are just comfortably inside of their bankroll.

Lol at "always chop", if that wasn't a level there is about a 99.9% chance that you suck at poker, same goes for the guy that is trying to chop a 27 man sit-n-go, you will NEVER get better at poker with that type of nitty mentality. You guys should focus on getting better at the end game instead of worrying about chopping a few hundred bucks. How are you going to get comfortable playing short-handed for a lot of money, if you don't want to try and win even while your learning the game and still playing for pennies. Even if the few hundred bucks means a lot to you right now, it is still just pennies compared to with what you could possibly win in poker if you get better and you will stunt your growth as a poker player Poker is about practice and learning from your mistakes, and the best way to get better is to put yourself in high pressure/difficult situations.
Trust me I have been playing tournies at the Bike and Commerce for the last 5 years and the same nits always try to chop like 20 handed and they are still the same weak players that they were 5 years ago. They always focused on the results and never focused on getting better. A few times I have busted out after a chop and everyone says that I should have chopped, but I have made a lot of money by refusing chops.

Tough to regret any poker decision when you win the biggest online tourney of the year outright......after chopping, lol - all in good fun!:)

my endgame sucks, dats why I chop. im 3-17 lifetime wen I get headsup in a 4.40 180 man. 3-17!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!! i think I need endgame lessons from JJProdigy

Not if you think your opponent is an absolute luck sack that only got as far as he did by winning insane 40-60s who you believe you'll crush 9 out of 10 times.

 

Originally Posted by dodgingjets

WTF?!?! This hand tilts me. How do you not get it all-in with the Wowswift? nj;kenwfjk;ewnf;kenk; folded the nuts, imo.

Doesn't the wowswift have to be offsuit?

Yeah the first huge tourney (field size not money) I won, it was a $3 tourney I played like 3 years ago. First was a hair short of $1K, which was HUGE for my BR back then. I politely declined a deal several times throughout, not sure why, but I felt that I could be these kids. I am trying not to accept deals of any sorts although I did in a $3r HU because my edge wasn't that great against the player. I pretty much refuse from now on. The prize payout jumps are sick in most tourneys, but if you can ignore the numbers and play your opponents, the majority of your profit will come from wins (obv), but in the long run. That is if you are good enough. If you happen to lucksack your way into the sunday million FT and get 3 handed and they staret discussing a deal, you could do it, but more than likely I would not.

 

Originally Posted by SluggerWV

 

Originally Posted by JustALurker

hahaha, he out in 4th. Thats what arrogant pricks get. Scooreee

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee

the guy that kept refusing the deal said his reason was becuz he was better than us. He said that straight to our e-faces. A lttle bit later he flops a set and gets his money in on the flop against an overpair. The overpair rivers bigger set. What a romantic story.

Almost every single time I have turned down the opportunity to chop I have gone on to win the tournament. Only cowards chop.

Serious question mig, I remember when you won the huge tourney last year on stars and you told everyone from the get go that there would be no chops whatsoever while you were still involved. Wouldn't it be better to keep this to yourself even if that is how you feel considering that people may play a bit nittier if they feel like there is a chance that with3 or 4 people left there could be a chop made? I wondered when I watched that why you would let everyone know that they should be playing for first, when they might play bit more cautious thinking they just want to survive a few more bust outs...?

just wonderinng if you had pondered that or had a different thought, thanks.

 

Originally Posted by EddieO

Serious question mig, I remember when you won the huge tourney last year on stars and you told everyone from the get go that there would be no chops whatsoever while you were still involved. Wouldn't it be better to keep this to yourself even if that is how you feel considering that people may play a bit nittier if they feel like there is a chance that with3 or 4 people left there could be a chop made? I wondered when I watched that why you would let everyone know that they should be playing for first, when they might play bit more cautious thinking they just want to survive a few more bust outs...?

just wonderinng if you had pondered that or had a different thought, thanks.

Yea I would say it might have been best not to tell them no chops. The reason I didnt last year was the wcoops were lasting insanely long we had been playing for like 17 hours straight at the time and I didnt want to waste anytime talking about chops when I knew 100% I wasnt going to. Also when the money is really big like at a wcoop or sunday ft even without the hopes for chops people play like huge nits trying to move up the payscale anyway. So dont think it mattered much but may have been optimal to not say no to any chops like I did.