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Daily 80- Line check and river spot vs. good reg

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  1. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 6:00pm)

    Villain is Eisenhower. I have experience but no real history with him but I have always viewed him as very solid and good.

    I know my initial thought was to raise turn, but Eisenhower's lead is for value of some sort (which I can't figure out just yet). I didn't want to blast him off of any Ax hands and felt like he wouldn't shove his draws in this spot, so I figured any 3-bet by him would be for value.

    The river blank is pretty interesting to me. The obvious first thought there is to raise his lead here but I think he is going to c/c all two pair hands or ax hands. He's shoving over my raise for value in a lot of spots and his value range crushes my range.

    I think I made a mess of things here and I'm not afraid to admit it. Any thoughts on the right line here?

    pokerstars Game #39179384734: Tournament #283010573, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2010/02/03 15:29:26 ET

    Table '283010573 71' 9-max Seat #4 is the button

    Seat 1: Jaix90 (2970 in chips)

    Seat 2: tørrpinnen (2470 in chips)

    Seat 3: THEpit777 (2335 in chips)

    Seat 4: dw2006 (2765 in chips)

    Seat 5: eisenhower1 (3755 in chips)

    Seat 6: Triple 0 G (2985 in chips)

    Seat 7: --KaiGummi-- (4275 in chips)

    Seat 8: s.l. halper (2605 in chips)

    Seat 9: nicomard (2350 in chips)

    eisenhower1: posts small blind 15

    Triple 0 G: posts big blind 30

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to s.l. halper [4h 4s]

    --KaiGummi--: folds

    s.l. halper: calls 30

    nicomard: calls 30

    Jaix90: folds

    tørrpinnen: folds

    THEpit777: folds

    dw2006: folds

    eisenhower1: calls 15

    Triple 0 G: checks

    *** FLOP *** [3d Ah 6d]

    eisenhower1: checks

    Triple 0 G: checks

    s.l. halper: checks

    nicomard: checks

    *** TURN *** [3d Ah 6d] [4c]

    eisenhower1: bets 90

    Triple 0 G: folds

    s.l. halper: calls 90

    nicomard: calls 90

    *** RIVER *** [3d Ah 6d 4c] [Jh]

    eisenhower1: bets 300
    <span>s.l. halper: </span>?
     
  2. yellowhat yellowhat is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 6:04pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    As played, I call, I'd probably also just call the turn too. Probably fold pre unless table is very soft.
     
  3. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 6:04pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    I prefer raising pre fwiw. I'm never folding the river, so I'm not sure if that's what you're asking. I'm probably flatting as there are lots of 2 pair hands that he can be betting here, even some sort've big aces he decided to just complete with in the sb.
     
  4. shane3769 shane3769 is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 6:06pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    raise pre...i consider raising river, but im probably not getting a lot of value out of anything i beat vs him
     
  5. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 6:07pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    Sorry I was not clear in the OP. I was wondering if the turn call was good and what was the best plan on the river. I am never just folding the river, of course- I'm wondering:

    Should I be raising river?

    If so, how much?

    If so, should I raise/fold or raise/call?

    Thx again.
     
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  6. Drewace34 Drewace34 is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 6:08pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    think the hand is played fine...agree with turn analysis in that your gettin more value by flattin than raising.... I can see his range being heavily weighted towards a weak Ax than really anything else....doubt 25 is completing in the bb could b a 57ss...think there is a ton of value in raisin river to like 1k and callin off feel like this is AT, A4, AJ more than nething...checked flopped for pot control oop

    edit: think foldin pre is pretty bad these are very good spots to set mine in the tournament and chip up imo....def dont mind limpin or opening a pot here either i think is fine as long as you balance your limpin range
     
  7. Ser Davos Ser Davos is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 8:30pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    raise call shove
  8. elgordo420 elgordo420 is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 9:13pm) in reply to Ser Davos

    Flat river. He is in sb and i dont think he is value betting the river with small two pairs. Most of the time you are getting it in against 52 and 57.
     
  9. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 10:16pm) in reply to elgordo420

    OK I went for a river raise despite my concerns. As I expected Eisenhower raised me. Are we calling?

    *** RIVER *** [3d Ah 6d 4c] [Jh]

    eisenhower1: bets 300

    s.l. halper: raises 510 to 810

    nicomard: folds

    eisenhower1: raises 2825 to 3635 and is all-in
    <span>s.l. halper: </span>
     
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  10. daphishermen daphishermen is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 10:27pm) in reply to Ser Davos

     
    Originally Posted by Ser Davos View Post

    raise call shove

     
  11. daphishermen daphishermen is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 10:27pm) in reply to Ser Davos

     
    Originally Posted by Ser Davos View Post

    raise call shove

     
  12. djkelly69 djkelly69 is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2010 (2/4/2010 12:04am) in reply to s.l. halper

    i prob raise turn.
    as played, i just call river.
    as played, fold. i think he always has 75 here.
  13. skreechamane skreechamane is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2010 (2/4/2010 12:19am) in reply to djkelly69

     
    Originally Posted by djkelly69 View Post

    i prob raise turn.
    as played, i just call river.
    as played, fold. i think he always has 75 here.

    dont rly think you can call the river shove, and it also worries me that hes in the blinds.

    did u call or fold? results?
  14. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2010 (2/4/2010 12:28am) in reply to skreechamane

    I called pretty quickly. In retrospect I think it was a silly call against a solid player who has not gotten out of line.

    I think raise/folding is probably the right play because villain is playing solely value hands based upon this action. I beat most of villain's calling range but I basically beat 33 and 33 only in his shoving range. I see a few posters said to call shove so I feel slightly better about it. But I still think r/f is probably best.

    Oh, and he did have 33. Who said the best play is always the most successful one?

    s.l. halper: calls 1675 and is all-in

    Uncalled bet (1150) returned to eisenhower1

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    eisenhower1: shows [3h 3c] (three of a kind, Threes)

    s.l. halper: shows [4h 4s] (three of a kind, Fours)

    s.l. halper collected 5360 from pot

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 5360 | Rake 0

    Board [3d Ah 6d 4c Jh]

    Seat 1: Jaix90 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 2: tørrpinnen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 3: THEpit777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 4: dw2006 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 5: eisenhower1 (small blind) showed [3h 3c] and lost with three of a kind, Threes

    Seat 6: Triple 0 G (big blind) folded on the Turn

    Seat 7: --KaiGummi-- folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Seat 8: s.l. halper showed [4h 4s] and won (5360) with three of a kind, Fours

    Seat 9: nicomard folded on the River
     
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  15. kxywrx kxywrx is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2010 (2/4/2010 2:40am) in reply to s.l. halper

    yea, after he shoves on the river i only think u beat 33 here as well.. not sure if he's playing 25 from the sb, but im pretty sure his range is only 33, 66, 57, 25? with the river action. b/c i'm pretty sure a reg wouldn't lead into 2 people and then shove with 2pr this early. also, i think something could be said about raising the turn to get value out of Axdd, and i'm not sure if he's folding 2pr on the turn that easily

    edit: in like realtime settings, i'd probably call pretty quickly too because i would think to myself sweet he just shoved into my set lol
     
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