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Daily Double-B push/fold/call-im confused

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  1. hookem208 hookem208 is offline

    Austin, TX
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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 10:28pm)

    ok, i ended up calling but i dont know if its a clear fold, an easy push or just a toss up. my read on the original raiser was
    raised 3x after a raise at 10/20 with AKs, then called all in
    raised 2.5x utg+1
    raised 3x MP, called all in with QQ

    so he hasnt really done anything out of line, but hands ive seen him raise so far have been QQ and AKs, so i could be dominated or coin flipping. my stack is a little low as ive been card dead, so that may be why i pushed. idk. any advice would help, even one word answers like "fold" are great. thanks.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3682161704: Daily Double - B (27582245), Table 72 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:10:00 ET - 2007/09/26
    Seat 1: Cin_Master (5,495)
    Seat 2: cardplaya08 (1,325)
    Seat 3: dixiecrat88 (2,115)
    Seat 4: Chridde69 (4,528)
    Seat 5: Sam_Buca381 (1,505), is sitting out
    Seat 6: DarthDrome (2,020)
    Seat 7: moneyola (4,400)
    Seat 8: tricia1982 (9,023)
    Seat 9: FloydFanBob (6,724)
    dixiecrat88 posts the small blind of 50
    Chridde69 posts the big blind of 100
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to cardplaya08 [Jd Js]
    Sam_Buca381 folds
    DarthDrome raises to 350
    moneyola folds
    tricia1982 folds
    FloydFanBob folds
    Cin_Master calls 350
    cardplaya08 has 15 seconds left to act
    cardplaya08 has requested TIME
    cardplaya08 raises to 1,325, and is all in
    dixiecrat88 folds
    Chridde69 folds
    DarthDrome raises to 2,020, and is all in
    Cin_Master folds
    DarthDrome shows [Qs Qh]
    cardplaya08 shows [Jd Js]
    Uncalled bet of 695 returned to DarthDrome
    *** FLOP *** [Kd 5c 3h]
    *** TURN *** [Kd 5c 3h] [8c]
    *** RIVER *** [Kd 5c 3h 8c] [8s]
    DarthDrome shows two pair, Queens and Eights
    cardplaya08 shows two pair, Jacks and Eights
    DarthDrome wins the pot (3,150) with two pair, Queens and Eights
    cardplaya08 stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3,150 | Rake 0
    Board: [Kd 5c 3h 8c 8s]
    Seat 1: Cin_Master folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: cardplaya08 (button) showed [Jd Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Eights
    Seat 3: dixiecrat88 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: Chridde69 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Sam_Buca381 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: DarthDrome showed [Qs Qh] and won (3,150) with two pair, Queens and Eights
    Seat 7: moneyola didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: tricia1982 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: FloydFanBob didn't bet (folded)
  2. shady1128 shady1128 is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 11:10pm) in reply to hookem208

    not a bad play. I think with JJ you have to raise because if you call an over card will most likely come and you'll have to fold to a bet which will also likely come so just calling isn't a good idea. But the only raise you can make will commit you to the pot so pushing is your best option. Someone might even see this, think "squeeze play" and call with a substandard hand. You only have 13 BB, not a bad time to get it in.
  3. badatpoker24 badatpoker24 is offline

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    Sep 27th, 2007 (9/27/2007 5:12am) in reply to hookem208

    even if he is showing a couple good hands you cant call or fold with 13 BB. if you make a standard reraise to like 1000 then youre committed so thats a good shove and bad timing but thats what you have to do there nice job
  4. finewhine finewhine is offline

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    Sep 27th, 2007 (9/27/2007 11:15am) in reply to hookem208

    I would have shoved also. There's always a chance he'd fold, even given his history. If he doesn't, there's always a chance you may have the best hand or you get a lucky board. You can't just sit there getting blinded away, chip stack shrinking, dead cards continuing, etc. You need chips and I think you took a good shot.
  5. hookem208 hookem208 is offline

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    Sep 27th, 2007 (9/27/2007 11:49am) in reply to finewhine

    excellent, just wanted to be sure. i knew calling wasnt an option i just threw it in the title, i knew we were push/fold there but i wanted to make sure we were still pushing despite what weve seen him show down. thanks a lot for the responses.
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  6. ilivebythe5 ilivebythe5 is offline

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    Sep 27th, 2007 (9/27/2007 2:26pm) in reply to hookem208

    I definitely think you have to shove here. There is a good chance that you have him dominated with a hand like 88-TT and more than likely he has AJs, AQos, AQs, or AK. A few of these you might be able to get him to lay down and most of the others you will be able to increase your stack by about 130% if you win because I think the caller for sure will be folding in this hand so you will be at worst a coin clip.

    Granted we see that he awoke with QQ and wasn't going to lay it down but you still had outs and I think it was the right play even though you busto. GG
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